cavebear2 wrote:Hmmm....a lot's happened here in my 8 hour absence......thanks for alerting me Hooli!
Its ok...
Postby damhooligan » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:04 pm
cavebear2 wrote:Hmmm....a lot's happened here in my 8 hour absence......thanks for alerting me Hooli!
Postby cavebear2 » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:45 pm
Thanks for taking my circumstances which you know very little about out of context. I guess it's impossible to understand the context since it's only words being posted and most of the message is lost. This is the basis behind a comment I've made on a few occasions on this forum: That much of the rant and rave in many threads on this forum are a complete waste of time as words only constitute 7% of our message and therefore interpreting them without a face to face discussion often results in misinterpretation and a war of words that leads nowhere.human909 wrote:Hmm..... I've had 1000s of days of riding under my belt and not once has a helmet saved me. Should I start a new thread every time this occurs? Rather than blaming your tyres or praising your helmet how about you consider riding in a fashion that doesn't end up with you coming off your bike?
Postby cavebear2 » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:10 pm
Mass increase = in the order of 5 to 8 %.il padrone wrote:One thing about helmets is that they do increase the mass of your head (slightly) and the diameter of it also - both of which make an impact with the road that much more likely. Not to mention the fact that you may act to hold your head up or otherwise protect it that much more without the helmet.
Postby trailgumby » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:07 pm
Postby Nobody » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:23 pm
Sorry to hear it. When you wrote of it earlier I assumed he died of cancer, heart attack, stroke or something more medical (as he was older).trailgumby wrote:However, my cousin was wearing his helmet when he had a simple clipstack at the beginning of this year. He hit a pine cone at slow speed, and didn't unclip from his road pedals fast enough, the kind of silly thing that happens to most of us at some stage. He hit his head, and that was it. Gone.
Postby trailgumby » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:53 pm
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:47 pm
Sorry Human but I am having a hard time to take your arguments as arguments made in good faith.human909 wrote:Are you kidding me? Our bodies and reactions are designed to protect the head from falls. My body performed admirably when I had my 25kph low side spill onto brickwork. The fact that my head didn't hit the ground (despite my hips and shoulders) is testament to this protection.
Unless just be by being on a bike under any circumstances is a fault.human909 wrote:... I'm also not naive enough to think single vehicle accidents just occur through no fault of the rider."
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:06 am
Actually after reading this and more of your earlier posts here I am not even sure that you were NOT trying to be rude. So, against my better nature I too will put my cranky hat on for a moment.human909 wrote:Hmm..... I've had 1000s of days of riding under my belt and not once has a helmet saved me. Should I start a new thread every time this occurs? Rather than blaming your tyres or praising your helmet how about you consider riding in a fashion that doesn't end up with you coming off your bike?
Postby wombatK » Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:40 am
From my limited experience - one stack with SPD (OTB) and one recent stack (over thetrailgumby wrote: I've never used road pedals but I understand more force is typically required to exit.
Postby lturner » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:09 pm
That's me.cavebear2 wrote:I know I don't need to preach to the converted which is probably most of you but this post is for anyone who rides with no helmet....
On Monday I had just started my commute home and was doing my normal quick sprint along a 250m section of Kewdale Rd. This is one of the busiest roads in Perth with constant heavy traffic during the hours of daylight. It has lots of heavy haulage vehicles along it together with commercial vehicles plus other domestic traffic.
Anyway, there was a gap in the traffic so I sprinted to turn right into Miles Rd. The oncoming traffic was still about 400m away. My cornering technique was OK I thought and I definitely didn't touch any brakes, but down I went at about 25kmh right into the middle of Kewdale Rd. Bashed my helmet & all the usual bits ie. knees, hip, shoulder. All seems relatively OK except for the Helmet - I threw it in the bin as harness had detached and the foam was cracked all the way through near the area of impact. It was 5 years old and looking a bit shabby so I was thinking of tossing it anyway.
Things happened very quickly of course and my 1st instinct was obviously to get off the road out of the way of the oncoming trucks etc.
I was interested that both Brifters were bent and scratched on the tops, so the front wheel must have come around at right angles. I'm suspecting that there was some oil/rubber on the road that I couldn't see. Conditions were dry. I have since replaced the rear tyre which was a Conti 4000S, the wear dimples were almost gone. The front tyre still has plenty of rubber, it's a Gatorskin though - not sure If I should replace it as it is about 5 years old?
Postby wombatK » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:54 pm
lturner's has made about 111 posts in just over one year on BNA, and virtually everyone of them is about railing against helmet wearing, and none of them make any more sense than this specious claim.lturner wrote: Thanks very much for your post. It really reinforced to me some of the dangers of riding at high speeds in heavy traffic. I'll continue to ride (without helmet of course) my short trips at slow speeds in low/no traffic areas. And I'll continue to be at orders of magnitude less risk of a head injury (or any sort of injury) than people who ride in the way you describe.
Postby lturner » Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:13 pm
Ah yes, the ad hominem. So much easier than actually making a convincing argument why you think the comments are specious, hey wombatK?wombatK wrote:lturner's has made about 111 posts in just over one year on BNA, and virtually everyone of them is about railing against helmet wearing, and none of them make any more sense than this specious claim.lturner wrote: Thanks very much for your post. It really reinforced to me some of the dangers of riding at high speeds in heavy traffic. I'll continue to ride (without helmet of course) my short trips at slow speeds in low/no traffic areas. And I'll continue to be at orders of magnitude less risk of a head injury (or any sort of injury) than people who ride in the way you describe.
When's it going to be time to lock this thread and put the helmet wearing debate back in the one and only helmet thread,
where most of lturners posts live ?
Postby human909 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:06 pm
How am I doing that? You were involved in a single vehicle accident. If you don't consider that it is your fault and you don't learn from the experience then you are foolish.cavebear2 wrote:Thanks for taking my circumstances which you know very little about out of context.human909 wrote:Rather than blaming your tyres or praising your helmet how about you consider riding in a fashion that doesn't end up with you coming off your bike?
I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you suggesting Cavebear hit black ice?ColinOldnCranky wrote:Sorry Human but I am having a hard time to take your arguments as arguments made in good faith.human909 wrote:Are you kidding me? Our bodies and reactions are designed to protect the head from falls. My body performed admirably when I had my 25kph low side spill onto brickwork. The fact that my head didn't hit the ground (despite my hips and shoulders) is testament to this protection.
And though you were presumably not trying to be rude to Cavebear I think that after seeing that video you may feel the inclination to rescind the comment and it's implication in statingUnless just be by being on a bike under any circumstances is a fault.human909 wrote:... I'm also not naive enough to think single vehicle accidents just occur through no fault of the rider."
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:19 pm
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