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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby Mulger bill » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:09 pm

DavidTomic wrote:
Mulger bill wrote:What's beetroot got to do with anything except yumminess? :?


I actually just took that as a silly joke when I first read it, but (as always) a quick Google search reveals some very interesting things!


Thanks Dave :D Not a huge fan of straight juice, I wonder if borscht counts? Grated into salad? Straight from a tin like yummy purple lollies?

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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby AUbicycles » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:06 pm

Chuck wrote:As for being a freak of nature, well Indurain and Lemond (to name 2) were physically more gifted.


Chuck, I am going to have to pull you up on this one...

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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby BrettGG » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:56 am

twizzle wrote:
BrettGG wrote:Whatever transpires from this, guilty or not he is an amazing man who has raised cancer awareness and almost $1b for charities.


Really? He just annoys the ---- out of me, and where has the money actually gone?


They have a division that supports cancer patients from the minute they are diagnosed until they are in remission. I saw many cards and plaques from people thanking the foundation for what they have done and are doing.

I understand that there are plenty Lance haters out there and that is understandable. Hate him if you must as an athlete, but you have to take your hat off to him for what he is doing for cancer awareness.

He was meant to race in Ironman France this past weekend but with his racing licence suspended until the investigation closes Lance flew to California to support a charity ride.

It's funny though because I brought up the USDA issue with the guys at Livestrong and they said they don't even think about it. They reckon it's been an ongoing issue for so long and people will constantly try bring Lance down that they block it out completely and focus on what they need to do for the foundation and that is helping cancer patients and their families.
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby BrettGG » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:58 am

sogood wrote:Given the large time performance gap b/n the period of widespread dope use and now, what if a "clean" rider was towed by a bunch of juiced up super domestics? Could that same time improvement be achieved?


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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby hazmat5765 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:13 am

Good post BrettGG.
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby Oxford » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:36 am

hazmat5765 wrote:Good post BrettGG.
There are haters and there are supporters.
Rob.

or people that just want to know the truth about how he did it, PEDs or no PEDs. I just want to know. no hate involved, I wouldn't call myself a supporter, just an interested spectator.
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby hazmat5765 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:52 am

Oxford wrote:
hazmat5765 wrote:Good post BrettGG.
There are haters and there are supporters.
Rob.

or people that just want to know the truth about how he did it, PEDs or no PEDs. I just want to know. no hate involved, I wouldn't call myself a supporter, just an interested spectator.

Fair enough mate, point taken.
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby Chuck » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:20 pm

BrettGG wrote:haters


hazmat5765 wrote:haters


It's not a real LA/PED's thread until that one comes out is it. I'm just surprised it took 9 pages. Well it's enough for me to perform a complete about face, I believe :!: :!: I also believe that OJ never hurt anybody and that Pro Wrestling is real :P
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby norbs » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:25 pm

Chuck wrote:
BrettGG wrote:haters


hazmat5765 wrote:haters


It's not a real LA/PED's thread until that one comes out is it. I'm just surprised it took 9 pages. Well it's enough for me to perform a complete about face, I believe :!: :!: I also believe that OJ never hurt anybody and that Pro Wrestling is real :P



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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby twizzle » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:35 pm

BrettGG wrote:I understand that there are plenty Lance haters out there and that is understandable. Hate him if you must as an athlete, but you have to take your hat off to him for what he is doing for cancer awareness.


I dislike him for his arrogant/sociopathic attitude, and I also questioned how funds raised for an event were completely absorbed by the running costs of said event, which raised (for me) a lot more questions about his marketing and income streams.

And how relevant to the rest of the world is his brand of "Cancer Awareness"? The rest of the world is not America where, unless you have medical insurance, you can kiss your rear goodbye and where everyone involved in the medical industry puts their hand out before talking to you. In most countries there are already a stack of support groups to help you navigate the process.

Is "Livestrong" a good thing? Yes. Is Lance a good thing? Probably not. Stop trying to link the two.
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby RICHARDH » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:22 pm

hazmat5765 wrote:Good post BrettGG.
There are haters and there are supporters.
Rob.


Wow, pick a side. Your with us or Against us! I reckon this has been a pretty tame thread considering the subject with mostly rationale posts not seeing a lot of hate.
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby hazmat5765 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:35 pm

hazmat5765 wrote:Good post BrettGG.
There are haters and there are supporters.
Rob.

Okay let me rephrase that, I didn't have the time to write a big post being between jobs.
Someone had said on a previous post that they were unsure where all the funds to Livestrong had gone and what good it was doing anyone. BrettGG pointed out some positives which I thought was a good post!
What I should have said is that there are haters, supporters, non-supporters and people that stand somewhere in the middle as interested spectators like Oxford, which I acknowledged.
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby twizzle » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:33 pm

Mulger bill wrote:
DavidTomic wrote:I actually just took that as a silly joke when I first read it, but (as always) a quick Google search reveals some very interesting things!


Thanks Dave :D Not a huge fan of straight juice, I wonder if borscht counts? Grated into salad? Straight from a tin like yummy purple lollies?

Shaun


Roasted in the oven. The tinned stuff all has added sugar.

Your strongly couloured pee is quite a give-away though.

edit: typo.
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby RICHARDH » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:45 pm

hazmat5765 wrote:
hazmat5765 wrote:Good post BrettGG.
There are haters and there are supporters.
Rob.

Okay let me rephrase that, I didn't have the time to write a big post being between jobs.
Someone had said on a previous post that they were unsure where all the funds to Livestrong had gone and what good it was doing anyone. BrettGG pointed out some positives which I thought was a good post!
What I should have said is that there are haters, supporters, non-supporters and people that stand somewhere in the middle as interested spectators like Oxford, which I acknowledged.
Rob.


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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby gururug » Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:58 am

All systems are go! http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/doping- ... trong-case

Looks like Mr Bloodstrong will have his day in court.
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby Oxford » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:21 am

I wonder if found guilty, whether the FBI/USDA or other US law enforcement agency will revisit their investigation given that US Postal a US government agency sponsored many of LA's TdF wins?

Should be an interesting spectacle.
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby trailgumby » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:56 am

It's certainly going to be interesting. Lance is well resourced and unlikely to let it rest.
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby Chuck » Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:14 pm

norbs wrote:Good read...


Attacking people and trying to discredit them is what Armstrong does best.

As the USADA proceeds with its case, the witnesses, testimony, and evidence will come to light and it is very possible that many things that Mr. Armstrong does not want the public to know about him will become very, very public.


I hope so :|

Oxford wrote:I wonder if found guilty, whether the FBI/USDA or other US law enforcement agency will revisit their investigation given that US Postal a US government agency sponsored many of LA's TdF wins?


I don't believe it was the evidence gathered that led to the case being dropped, other factors at play. I doubt very much that the US Government will revisit this regardless of how the USADA proceedings go down. I've been wrong before though :)
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby liamb » Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:06 pm

good timing to courier up Cadels title defence. USADA must hate Cadel as well as Lance.
If Hincapie did cheat and has admitted in court or under oath it why hasn't he and the others been done by the UCI and IF big George did cheat BMC need to kick him off the team right now.

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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby gururug » Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:11 pm

I wonder if convicted whether any of Lances' "corporate partners" will seek monetary damages.
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby norbs » Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:20 pm

gururug wrote:I wonder if convicted whether any of Lances' "corporate partners" will seek monetary damages.


You mean 1 Insurance company? :)
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby RonK » Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:25 pm

liamb wrote:good timing to courier up Cadels title defence. USADA must hate Cadel as well as Lance.
If Hincapie did cheat and has admitted in court or under oath it why hasn't he and the others been done by the UCI and IF big George did cheat BMC need to kick him off the team right now.

Bill

Really, it did seem too much of a coincidence that Hincapie announced he would retire at the end of this season about the same time as the ASADA announced the charges against Armstrong. It's funny also that I thought Jonathon Vaughters loud denounciation of drug use and his treatment of Matt White seemed suspicious since he was an Armstrong team mate during the same period. Now it seems that he is somewhat of a hypocrite, and probably should not be allowed to be involved in team management.
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Re: Armstrong formally charged by USADA

Postby liamb » Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:33 pm

The rumor is that Lance wants to go into politics at a high level in the US and this USADA thing is a way to tarnish him as the people who he will run against feel he is universally liked in his home state. I guess if the sponsors are linked to the opposition to his run at politics they would have a go in the most litigious country in the world.
Its funny a bloke I went to high school with studied to be a paralegal and moved to the US. For the last few years he has been on a team of researchers employed to try to discredit Lance (He recently quit and came home because he felt it was lacking evidence and a witch hunt). He was pressured for up above (his words) to make sure he found evidence.
When he quit and left he felt they had nothing on him and the statements of riders that lance "doped" isn't really enough in a real court or trial because there is no positive drug test to back it up, but he did mention that the USADA is a law unto themselves. He estimates the USADA spent nearly 1millon us dollars retesting old samples and still hadnt found anything at the time he left.
The scariest thing is that if Lance goes down and Big George goes down on Statements given by ex-team mates with no evidence to back it up, by association Cadel could and would be done for doping (in the US if USADA decided they didnt like him anymore) becasue he rode with Big George (supposedly a drug cheat) and by association he is a drug cheat. Both Lance and Cadel (and Big George) have never tested positive so according to USADA you only need a Statement by other riders to ping you.

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