Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
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Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby kingoftheroad » Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:40 pm
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby trailgumby » Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:50 pm
Personally I prefer not to tangle with traffic. With our narcissistic national morality, where "it's all about me", drivers don't give a cr*p about anyone else let alone your safety, and sooner or later it will end in tears.
I now take back roads. Sure, it's not as quick from A to B, but the training effect is very much better.
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby DavidTomic » Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:59 pm
Not all of them obviously, but I plan my route around the ones that do, and it generally keeps me out of trouble!
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby westab » Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:19 pm
As far as when I ride on the road with heavy traffic around traffic lights that I could legally travel to the front of the que - I don't - I simply claim a lane ride my speed and if a car does pass me between the reds I don't make them do it again. Most the time drivers then are OK and you don't get honked at, yelled at, or run off the road. (including late at night) Car drivers seem to get very aggresive when they have to overtake you for the third time in three blocks - even though you have not done anything wrong.
Still if there is an alternative to the road that is safe I will take it - the shortest way to work is 5kms and my usual commute is 10km.
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby familyguy » Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:57 pm
You missed an option: waiting in line. But it depends heavily on the density. Your version of 'traffic in a jam' might not match mine.kingoftheroad wrote:but what's better: footpath or cutting through?
There's three distinct places on my commute where I prefer to wait in line. Plenty of riders cut through, either taking the footpath or splitting between cars, often ignoring the red light and diving into the (often highly used) bus lane. Gets them about 25m ahead of the ones who wait (Spit Bridge heading south, I'm looking at you guys, trailgumby would have seen this happen with some regularity).
Filtering when traffic is stop/start is a bit of a mugs game IMHO. Why yoyo around the same 12-15 cars over and over again, working yourself into the gutters or exposing yourself to doors and annoying drivers? Total jammed peak hour is a bit different. If nobody is going anywhere fast, filtering is relatively safe, mostly due to fact nobody is going to be merging at speed and not seeing you. Plus inhaling idling engine fumes sucks.
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby sogood » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:00 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby beauyboy » Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:32 pm
The only time I will do it is when there is a bike lane which is not really filtering as I am in my own lane.
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Postby beauyboy » Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:42 pm
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby Kenzo » Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:58 pm
But like any knife - you need to weild it with care.
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby Peacewise » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:47 pm
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby il padrone » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:36 pm
This is quite correct. There is precious little distinction between cyclist, motorcyclist or motorists in the road rules - they are all drivers. Any vehicle may overtake another, as long as it is safe. There is no rule prohibiting filtering, it's not even mentioned in the road rules. There is a requirement to travel completely in one lane and not drive across the lane lines. Motorcyclists may pass other vehicles where there is room, just like cyclists. Passing between lines of traffic at high speed, and/or through moving traffic would be construed as dangerous by police and motorcyclists are not able to overtake to the left of traffic whilst cyclists can.Oxford wrote:umm, no its not, but I'll leave that discussion for another thread where it has already been covered off.beauyboy wrote:yes but filtering with 500CC of assiatance is techically illegal?
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Back OT, I will sit behind in the lane where there is a queue of up to about 3-4 cars. More than this and I will pass safely to the front, often on the right side of the left lane of traffic. I never take to the footpath to get by.
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby Chris249 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:39 am
Like TG says, a lot of the time you can find a back road anyway.
Hopping onto the footpath is not a way to filter, it's illegal. Riders wouldn't like it if cars used bike paths , would they? That sort of "I'll follow the rules when it suits me and ignore them when it suits me" stuff is a significant reason why drivers and peds often dislike cyclists IMHO.
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby il padrone » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:01 am
I'd love it if the car drivers would not pass me when they are only going to stop at the next traffic jam and I'll have to slow up and re-pass them. That annoys me. I reckon they should all just stay behind, but they don't. So I don't.Chris249 wrote:I won't filter if the cars are going to go straight past as soon as the lights go green, but I'll filter if I am going faster than the car traffic, so that cars I pass will not have to re-pass me. Like others, I think that annoys drivers and makes them anti-cyclist.
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby il padrone » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:31 am
Go around them on the right hand sideOxford wrote:depends on the state. in Qld its legal and I did it all the time particularly when you get haters knowingly trying to jam you into the gutter.Chris249 wrote:...
Hopping onto the footpath is not a way to filter, it's illegal...
I more often prefer to pass queued traffic on the right hand side anyway, to avoid the left-turners and because there is usually more room between the rows of cars.
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby Xplora » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:32 pm
Just do what you're brave enough to do. You'll learn what makes drivers angry. If you don't know what it feels like to share the road with a rider, you don't drive enough. If you don't know what it's like to share the road with a driver, you don't ride enough. Just remember, fear is punished harder than arrogance.
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby Mulger bill » Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:23 pm
Ummm that'd be "existence" right?Xplora wrote:You'll learn what makes drivers angry.
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby Xplora » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:27 am
Well, there is no accounting for retardation and disfunction in the gene pool... but I can't help feeling that this is unkind to the retarded and disfunctional, who are probably more well adjusted than dopey drivers.Mulger bill wrote:Ummm that'd be "existence" right?Xplora wrote:You'll learn what makes drivers angry.
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby Chris249 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:13 pm
Sorry, didn't know your rules.Oxford wrote:depends on the state. in Qld its legal and I did it all the time particularly when you get haters knowingly trying to jam you into the gutter.Chris249 wrote:...
Hopping onto the footpath is not a way to filter, it's illegal...
I'm lucky with haters trying to jam you in; last one was years ago, but it was not fun.
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Re: Thoughts on cutting through traffic in jam?
Postby il padrone » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:50 pm
This hater's jam looks fun thoughChris249 wrote:I'm lucky with haters trying to jam you in; last one was years ago, but it was not fun.
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