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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby hannos » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:51 am

Parrott wrote:I can't see him being the leader next year. He will be36 and working for tejay


I think it would be great for Tejay and BMC if he did work for Tejay in 2013. Help impart some of his knowledge onto a younger crew. Tejay certainly has shown a lot of promise this Tour.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby jules21 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:54 am

Parrott wrote:I can't see him being the leader next year. He will be36 and working for tejay

depends on his form in the lead up, i reckon. tejay is still very young and historically most riders are given a couple more years before having the pressure of team leader at the Tour imposed on them. but Tejay is very good.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby bosvit » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:39 pm

Tejay will most likely get the job of team leader at the Giro first, just to break him in
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby Parrott » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:30 pm

It would make sense to me, he is going to be one year older and stronger and Cadel is likely past his peak being one of the oldest tdf winners last year. He is not going to get faster with age.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby sogood » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:38 pm

I think a team should try to scoop Tejay and Froome... But next year will see the return of Pistolero Contador. Can we start the TdF 2013 thread now? :roll:
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby Parrott » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:47 pm

pretty sure they are both contracted with their current teams next year.
Contador will definitely liven it up.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby cjawnik » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:46 pm

Cadel is really 3 time winner of The Tour.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby Sydguy » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:24 pm

Sky crash! Boom. Nibali a chance - hope a team goes for it!

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby norbs » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:01 am

That was BS.

It has been a pretty crappy tour this year. The Giro was way better. :(
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby hosko » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:58 am

KOM is now the most exciting part of this tour. If Sky continues to play this crap game of Froome/Wiggins where there is competition, and no one challenges....eghhhh.

Voeckler is at least having a go, as to his challenger. The white jersey is almost sewn up also for TJ.

Also the teams seem to be getting very tired. The last backstage pass from Matt White he looked wrecked. At least they have Robbie and Neil Stephens who seem to make the video's a lot of fun. Neil gives it to the riders too which is pretty funny.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby Oxford » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:31 am

I haven't stayed up late to watch any stage so far, glad I haven't. However usually that means I really enjoy the highlights package. Even that's been ho hum this year. Very forgettable year IMO which pains me to say.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby Trev Campbell » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:49 am

Yep, I'd have to agree it hasn't been a stellar year. Is it just me or does it feel like the (Most Likely) tour winner hasn't really proven himself. Besides the time trial and probably the upcomming time trial it just feels like Wiggins has let his team do all the work and just followed them along. He's not been challenged and had to prove himself as a real tour champion.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby jules21 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:58 am

Trev Campbell wrote:Is it just me or does it feel like the (Most Likely) tour winner hasn't really proven himself.

i think he's proven himself as stronger than all his challengers. the problem is, froome wasn't allowed to challenge him - this will detract from his win. i think Sky have out-strategised themselves in the credibility stakes.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby familyguy » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:09 am

Trev Campbell wrote:Yep, I'd have to agree it hasn't been a stellar year. Is it just me or does it feel like the (Most Likely) tour winner hasn't really proven himself. Besides the time trial and probably the upcomming time trial it just feels like Wiggins has let his team do all the work and just followed them along. He's not been challenged and had to prove himself as a real tour champion.


I compared this the other day to Lance win #5 or some such. But even then, thats not fair to Lance. He won stages (albeit under clouds). Call me old fashioned, I like my Tour winner to be an occasional stage winner, too.

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby Strawburger » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:38 am

familyguy wrote:I compared this the other day to Lance win #5 or some such. But even then, thats not fair to Lance. He won stages (albeit under clouds). Call me old fashioned, I like my Tour winner to be an occasional stage winner, too.

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And not just a time trial stage winner
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby jasonc » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:46 am

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familyguy wrote:I compared this the other day to Lance win #5 or some such. But even then, thats not fair to Lance. He won stages (albeit under clouds). Call me old fashioned, I like my Tour winner to be an occasional stage winner, too.

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And not just a time trial stage winner


it's what you'd described as a calculated assault on the yellow jersey. team orders are team orders. can't expect froome to smash wiggins unfortunately.

one thing is though, at least cadel tried (the attack failed). sky, as a team, are just stronger. not once was wiggins attacked on his own.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby familyguy » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:07 am

Yeah, technically TT's are stages, but its just not the same, y'know?

Sky are hanging together more than Disco Channel ever seemed to on big stages. I cant see Wiggins even approaching a mountain without 4 guys ahead of him, let alone climbing away to win one. But as pointed out, its a team sport, and his team are rock solid.

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby sogood » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:11 am

familyguy wrote:I compared this the other day to Lance win #5 or some such. But even then, thats not fair to Lance. He won stages (albeit under clouds). Call me old fashioned, I like my Tour winner to be an occasional stage winner, too.

I agree, there's no credibility to a GC winner if he only wins the ITT and makes no attempts to win and demonstrate personal prowess on other stages. Absolutely boring to see Friggins being towed by Froome and other domestiques stage after stage. And then when the going gets tough, Froome had to repeatedly wait for his captain on climbs. That's just BS. LanceA's dominance was far more exciting and one gets a real sense that the man is superior and deserves the GC jersey.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby jules21 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:19 am

sogood wrote:And then when the going gets tough, Froome had to repeatedly wait for his captain on climbs. That's just BS. LanceA's dominance was far more exciting and one gets a real sense that the man is superior and deserves the GC jersey.

agreed. what i found particularly galling was froome itching to be let off the leash last night to chase alessandro "why did i use my dog's name?" valverde for the stage win, but being told to stay with Wiggo, despite the fact there was only 3km or so to go and the GC competition - if it can even be called that anymore - had already been dropped. there's team work and there's sterility, i think the line was crossed in this Tour.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby Trev Campbell » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:46 am

Well I guess not every TDF can be exciting. It would just have been nice to see a Mano a Mano fight at somestage, ala Cadel-Schleck last year or Contador-Schleck the year before, Even Astana in 2009 let Contador and Armstrong duke it out for a while to see who was strongest, pity Sky didn't let Froome and Wiggins do this. Wiggins has been given a bit of an armchair ride to the title this year I think. But kudos to him and his team they have done what they set out to do.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby Oxford » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:32 pm

In Comic Book Guys voice from the Simpsons: "Worst TdF everrrr".

Seriously, there's been no panache from anyone, no serious grand standing, just nothing, its like watching a made for TV movie. All the actors are there, the scenery is in place, but its just a yawn fest, no is challenging anyone seriously.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby jules21 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:38 pm

Oxford wrote:All the actors are there, the scenery is in place, but its just a yawn fest, no is challenging anyone seriously.

the main reason is that Sky have the strongest rider in the race (Froome) riding tempo at the front on all the climbs. he's not allowed to attack, just ride tempo and keep everything together. it's so boring even Froome is complaining about it.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby brentono » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:44 pm

Sadly Cadel Evans did not even fire a shot, many questions have to be asked. :(
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:45 pm

The ITT will be interesting (not from a spectator POV, however) in that Froome could end up in yellow with just a simple earpiece malfunction. He'll be riding just ahead of Wiggo and if he doesn't hear the "Chris, slow down, you're ahead of Bananaman" call we might be able to make up the time. If that doesn't work he should take Wiggo out for a steak after the TT :D

Given that, why didn't they just have a single TT stage and save everyone a lot of sleepless nights? Voeckler is the only one out there at the moment who's doing anything entertaining.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby sogood » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:46 pm

jules21 wrote:the main reason is that Sky have the strongest rider in the race (Froome) riding tempo at the front on all the climbs. he's not allowed to attack, just ride tempo and keep everything together. it's so boring even Froome is complaining about it.

It's base training for Froome for next year's TdF bid and it's wheel sucking training for ITT Specialist Wiggins. They don't deserve the energy I need to expend to stay up and watch at 1am night after night. :mrgreen:
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