2012 Tour de France
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby clydesmcdale » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:23 pm
The analogy earlier to golf is an interesting one. With the introduction of technology into the game allowing players to hit longer and longer and destroying courses, the PGA went about altering courses in an effort to even the playing field between the big hitters and the accurate players.
Perhaps in the future, the Tour will have to be carefully selected to level the playing field. This year seemed to be where team management decided the outcome, rather than any individual effort by the team leader. Team tactics should always have a place in the race, but I think spectators want to see a better balance. It’ll be interesting to see how the organisers respond to the public and media review of this year’s Tour.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby brentono » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:27 pm
and walked away with the polka dot jersey.
Perfect Sky Team leadout for Cavendish for the sprint down the Champs Elysees, and just held off
faster-finishing Peter Sagan (plenty more to come from this young guy).
Cadel Evans should not be written off, just yet, he needs to just re-think it.
Wiggins did this Year, what Cadel Evans did last year, but with no pressure on.
(TT's for the poms is a no brainer, and the coarse, this TdF seemed like a setup)
Next TdF will be a whole new ball park
(let's hope they can, all the boring T.T's and get back to reality)
Real Champions rise to the occasion.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby twizzle » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:53 pm
...real cyclists don't have squeaky chains...
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby stinhambo » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:30 pm
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby The_Eggman » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:34 pm
Maybe.jules21 wrote: i'm more optimistic than that. cadel has had a rough season - i suspect his sinus infection may have had a bigger impact on his preparation than he let on. if you look at the last two Tour winners, they've had very clean preparations (i'm hesitant to go back further than that). there's no obvious reason why it can't all fall into place again next year.
although he will start losing some of the raw endurance capacity to younger opponents, you can't underestimate the value of experience in this race, nor his ability to stay out of trouble. it only takes one mistake and a heavy favorite can be knocked out of contention.
most people thought he could not win the 2011 race and he proved them all wrong. i'll be cheering him on next year.
I guess my thinking is underpinned by his age. He was already the oldest winner since 1923. He's now +2 years on that. And my guess is 2013 will probably be a tour with a lot of climbing and less ITT (as a response to this year), which swings it back toward Schleck, Contrador, Froome, et al. This course actually suited Cadel quite well - it just happened to suit Wiggins better. And will BMC hold TJvG back for another year?
Nothing wrong with setting your season on the Giro and/or Classics by the way. A Giro win would be epic
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby The_Eggman » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:38 pm
Disappointing.stinhambo wrote:How would you sum up GreenEDGE's TdF?
Just not buying into "yay, we have an Aussie team" thing. They went to win stages and jerseys, not intermediate sprints.
The leadouts seemed a little weak as compared to Lotto and Sky (who both had to protect GC riders) and Goss seemed to lack the grunt of Greipel, Cav and Sagan when it mattered. They were also a little anonymous in the breaks in the rolling stages.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby greyhoundtom » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:43 pm
No real game plan. Poor team management.stinhambo wrote:How would you sum up GreenEDGE's TdF?
While a couple of individuals had a bit of a go, the above resulted in what was for me a lackluster performance.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby jules21 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:27 pm
that guy got off lightly. there was a time when he would have copped a right hookParrott wrote:The Badger strikes again Don't know who the bloke was but he dispatched him.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby biker jk » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:52 pm
Clearly the Badger thought it was Greg Lemond.Parrott wrote:The Badger strikes again Don't know who the bloke was but he dispatched him.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby Zynster » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:51 pm
As for Orica GreenEdge, yes disappointed. It all started with the new kit. Wow! How to disappear in a peleton. I loved the original kit. the new one sucks. Matt White has to wear the main responsibility for the poor performance. They put all their bets on Goss in a tour that wasn't very sprinter friendly. Goss was not fast enough to beat Cav and not versatile enough to beat Sagan. They need to change strategy to get stage wins. From what I saw of Matt White in Backstage Pass, changing strategy is not his strong suite.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby adamr » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:57 pm
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby reeves » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:57 pm
Not sure I would call this just holding off Sagan
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby toolonglegs » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:07 pm
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby iaintas » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:30 am
I doubt GE would bid for Richie, for one i don't think they would have the support for Richie to go for GC, and i am pretty sure he is contracted for next year with sky, also he didn't go through the AIS so i doubt if Matt White particularly likes himadamr wrote:What chance GreenEdge will bid for Richie Porte for a GC rider for next season? I think he could be a contender with the right team support. His previous results and his TT prowess this year show that.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby clackers » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:09 am
Three pretty good reasons, Iain!iaintas wrote:
I doubt GE would bid for Richie, for one i don't think they would have the support for Richie to go for GC, and i am pretty sure he is contracted for next year with sky, also he didn't go through the AIS so i doubt if Matt White particularly likes him
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Re: 2012 Tour de France
Postby RICHARDH » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:14 pm
Asked at the start of the season Bannan was asked if there was any rider they went after and didn't get he said that there was only 1, he refused to name the rider but i believe Porte was that rider. Porte won't stay at Sky for long he has his own ambitions and Sky will clearly focus on Wiggins and Froomeclackers wrote:Three pretty good reasons, Iain!iaintas wrote:
I doubt GE would bid for Richie, for one i don't think they would have the support for Richie to go for GC, and i am pretty sure he is contracted for next year with sky, also he didn't go through the AIS so i doubt if Matt White particularly likes him
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