What should be my first bike?
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What should be my first bike?
Postby turban-elite » Sun May 11, 2008 8:00 pm
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Postby Kalgrm » Sun May 11, 2008 8:24 pm
Welcome to the forum.
I'd say you're on the right track looking at Giants. With the budget you've set, you'll get a reasonable starting "hard-tail" bike from Giant, with okay specs.
But I must warn you: within a year you'll wish you had spent double that .... it's addictive!
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Postby Kalgrm » Sun May 11, 2008 8:26 pm
Cheers,
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Postby Hawkeye » Sun May 11, 2008 9:27 pm
Unless you knwo exactly what you need size-wise and have a small additional budget for fine tuning seatpost, bar and stem selection, you're playing russian roulette with the most important characteristic of your bike: how it fits you.
A bike that doesn't fit will rapidly become a miserable experience. Spending the extra (even full retail) is worth it to get a bike that fits you properly, because you will enjoy riding, you will therefore ride more, and quickly earn back the extra you paid, and then some.
I hope this helps.
And yes, it rapidly becomes addictive. I took my 12yo son riding Manly Dam this afternoon (or, I should say, he took me) and it was a blast!
PS: If you can possibly stretch your budget to $1k-$1100 you'll get a much better bike. Trust me, it's worth it.
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Postby Bnej » Sun May 11, 2008 10:37 pm
Then around the $1000 mark you can start finding bikes with Rock Shox Tora forks instead. These have 32mm stanchion tubes instead of 28mm which makes them stiffer, they have better bushings that makes them more responsive, and they are significantly lighter than the cheaper forks.
Don't worry if you can't stretch the budget though, $800 will get you a decent, off road capable hard tail bike from a good brand. Buy from a bike shop after visiting a few, look at what is available, talk about the kind of riding you want to do, etc. and see what you can learn. Don't forget to budget for helmet, pump, multitool, tyre levers, spare tube, and patches.
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Postby Mulger bill » Mon May 12, 2008 10:53 am
I've got nothing to add to the gems posted above because they've pretty much covered it all, just thought I'd say G'Day
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.....Oh yeah, [bias]Giant is good, very good. [/bias]
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Postby miss min » Mon May 12, 2008 2:13 pm
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Postby turban-elite » Mon May 12, 2008 9:25 pm
thanks, just what I was after, I live in Canberra too!miss min wrote:I bought my bikes over the internet from this shop, but they are in Canberra and have all their bikes on sale at the mo. maladjusted.
edit: ah wait, they dont sell Giant, oh well. Looks like I'll have to go to the bike shed.
ok guys, So I am buying a Giant bike, but which one?!?!, I look at their website and they have all these categories like trail, freeride, sport, competition ect. What Giant bike is best for around a grand or so! (upped budget a bit) I still havnt been measured up for a bike, I will do that at the end of the week, so in the meantime tell me what bike I should be looking at.
thanks
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Postby turban-elite » Tue May 13, 2008 7:57 pm
ok, so I'll look into the Giant Alias. But I have been hearing that the next level up in cost offers great performance increase in the bikes. So lets say if I had up to $1200 to spend, what would you recommend?j.r.hawkins wrote:Giant Alias is around that money. That gets you hydraulic brakes, reasonable 27spd shifters and derailleurs, a coil sprung hydraulic fork with lockout and rebound adjustment, and an entry-level wheelset that will take a moderate amount of punishment (say 2-foot drops to flat). YOu might be avble to get them to throw in some gloves and a helmet with a bit of negotiation.
Postby Hawkeye » Tue May 13, 2008 8:04 pm
Giant Talon. Good strong Sun rims, better all-round componentry including an air fork. The performance increase is perhaps not so great as the improvement in strength and reliability.turban-elite wrote:ok, so I'll look into the Giant Alias. But I have been hearing that the next level up in cost offers great performance increase in the bikes. So lets say if I had up to $1200 to spend, what would you recommend?
To get a quantum performance lift you need to go the XTC2 (circa $1600 RRP), but the rims and frame won't absorb as much punishment as it's designed as a lightweight race XC hardtail.
"Strong. Light. Cheap. Choose any two."
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Postby Bnej » Tue May 13, 2008 8:19 pm
OTOH you could get the Alias and change the fork down the track, but it would cost you more in total, and you wouldn't have the better wheels.
No-one ever said to themselves 12 months on "gee, I wish I bought a bike that wasn't so good!".
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Postby turban-elite » Tue May 13, 2008 8:20 pm
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Postby turban-elite » Tue May 13, 2008 8:21 pm
hmm ok. Well I've been thinking about suspension lately, and I REALLY enjoy the comfort of having dual suspension. So If I was very inclined to find a bike with dual suspension for under $1200, what would you recommend? (it doesn't have to be giant) (and I know you guys would say not to get dual suspension on my budget, but lets say I really want it) ( also could look into second hand bikes, so if there is a good dual suspension bike for say under 2 grand you could mention it)turban-elite wrote:j.r.hawkins wrote:Giant Talon. Good strong Sun rims, better all-round componentry including an air fork. The performance increase is perhaps not so great as the improvement in strength and reliability.turban-elite wrote:ok, so I'll look into the Giant Alias. But I have been hearing that the next level up in cost offers great performance increase in the bikes. So lets say if I had up to $1200 to spend, what would you recommend?
To get a quantum performance lift you need to go the XTC2 (circa $1600 RRP), but the rims and frame won't absorb as much punishment as it's designed as a lightweight race XC hardtail.
"Strong. Light. Cheap. Choose any two."
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Postby Bnej » Tue May 13, 2008 8:28 pm
1. Just don't!turban-elite wrote:So If I was very inclined to find a bike with dual suspension for under $1200, what would you recommend? (it doesn't have to be giant) (and I know you guys would say not to get dual suspension on my budget, but lets say I really want it)
2. If you're not going to do much in the way of climbing hills, the Giant Yukon FX or Mongoose Otero will be okay. These are decent bikes with lower end components but okay suspension designs. They won't take extreme punishment and they're VERY heavy (~16kg +) but they don't totally suck.
At $1500 the Yukon SX is roughly similar to the Talon in components, just 2.5kg heavier and with 100mm travel at the rear.
Anything less than the Yukon FX simply isn't worth riding at all. Cheaper dual suspension bikes are not only up around 18kg in weight, but won't even be suitable for off road riding at all.
If you aspire to keep up with people on the trails, you're probably better off saving the weight initially and riding a hardtail.
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Postby turban-elite » Tue May 13, 2008 8:49 pm
okay, thanks for enlightening me. I guess I'll stay away from rear suspension for now. ok so I found this Giant STP 0, 2007 advertised for $1,200, used. Worth it or not?Bnej wrote:1. Just don't!turban-elite wrote:So If I was very inclined to find a bike with dual suspension for under $1200, what would you recommend? (it doesn't have to be giant) (and I know you guys would say not to get dual suspension on my budget, but lets say I really want it)
2. If you're not going to do much in the way of climbing hills, the Giant Yukon FX or Mongoose Otero will be okay. These are decent bikes with lower end components but okay suspension designs. They won't take extreme punishment and they're VERY heavy (~16kg +) but they don't totally suck.
At $1500 the Yukon SX is roughly similar to the Talon in components, just 2.5kg heavier and with 100mm travel at the rear.
Anything less than the Yukon FX simply isn't worth riding at all. Cheaper dual suspension bikes are not only up around 18kg in weight, but won't even be suitable for off road riding at all.
If you aspire to keep up with people on the trails, you're probably better off saving the weight initially and riding a hardtail.
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Postby turban-elite » Tue May 13, 2008 9:11 pm
yeah, so doesn't that mean its a all-rounder? or am I missing something here what type of mtn biking is it not good for?needsapush wrote:STP stands for street, trail, park, more aimed at dirt jumping etc What type of mountain bike riding have you got in mind?turban-elite wrote: ok so I found this Giant STP 0, 2007 advertised for $1,200, used. Worth it or not?
Postby Hawkeye » Tue May 13, 2008 9:22 pm
If you want to go trail riding with your mates, you'll find the STP pretty much ... sucks. With the seat so low and a short effective top tube you'll struggle on the climbs. OTOH, descending will be pretty good - so long as your knees and quads aren't fried from the climb.
Most popular bikes around my local are mid-range dual-suspension ($2.5k and up) or decent hardtails like the Talon. My local is known for being technical compared to most. If you're worried about your butt or lower back, a Thudbuster seatpost is worth looking at. Any DS less than about $2.5k really isn't worth looking at.
Oh, and just to confuse you more: my entry-level hardtail actually climbs better than my DS.
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Postby Deanj » Tue May 13, 2008 9:26 pm
I'd be very cautious buying one of these second hand personally unless you know how its been ridden and by whom. They retail about $2000, but a quick search you can get them for $1500 at the minute.
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Postby Deanj » Tue May 13, 2008 9:36 pm
Could be worth looking here if its local, especially with 20% off Kona's.miss min wrote:I bought my bikes over the internet from this shop, but they are in Canberra and have all their bikes on sale at the mo.
http://maladjusted.com.au/news/?IntCatI ... ContId=850
Thats from bias though as I ride one
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Postby Mulger bill » Wed May 14, 2008 2:05 am
If you might want to commute, use a rack to carry stuff or climb hills longer than your driveway and can fit the Talon in your budget, test ride one to be sure.
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Postby mohicanmate » Wed May 14, 2008 10:08 am
Giant and Avanti are worth checking out as well.
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