National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby hannos » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:03 pm

ldrcycles wrote:
And i call Godwin's Law btw.


Bugger! I saw that reference but couldn't recall the Law...
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:21 pm

Well Human, your helmutless no hands advocacy could get you onto the front page if you get your timing just right. You'll set my advocacy back 3 years, but Yin and Yang and all that I guess :lol:
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby Mulger bill » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:46 pm

ldrcycles wrote:And i call Godwin's Law btw.


Denied, the point raised was valid. Unfortunately put by reference to the situation in Germany 1933-45 but still valid as other equally suitable comparisons were made.

(My finger was hovering on the lock button until I reread the post.)

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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby gorilla monsoon » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:25 pm

Mulger bill wrote:
ldrcycles wrote:And i call Godwin's Law btw.


Denied, the point raised was valid. Unfortunately put by reference to the situation in Germany 1933-45 but still valid as other equally suitable comparisons were made.

(My finger was hovering on the lock button until I reread the post.)

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Yeah, that's why I didn't call Godwin's Law. :wink:
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:49 pm

What did the Germans do now?! :?
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby Mulger bill » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:16 pm

The 2nd Womble wrote:What did the Germans do now?! :?

They released the 1 series BMW.
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby Xplora » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:48 pm

Mulger bill wrote:
The 2nd Womble wrote:What did the Germans do now?! :?

They released the 1 series BMW.

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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:03 pm

Xplora wrote:
Mulger bill wrote:
The 2nd Womble wrote:What did the Germans do now?! :?

They released the 1 series BMW.

Oktoberfest?

Ah right. You can add A Christmas with David Hasselhoff to that as well.
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby kb » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:44 am

human909 wrote:Personally I feel quite comfortable with my set of morals.

It's a rare individual that doesn't. Often deserving serious respect.

[Edit: That didn't come out quite right :-) I'm not casting aspersions. It's clear that you do think about what you do]

human909 wrote: In fact I (and others around me) would consider me to be and ethical and moral person. I am not Christian, but I do believe a good basis for life is 'Love thy neighbour' and 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you'.

That may be partly why there is so much disagreement here. The Golden Rule is too simplistic. People just vary too much. I'd call it a starting point.
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby Alistair » Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:26 pm

human909 wrote:My goal in cycling advocacy is to make it a safer place for all cyclists.


Are righteous forum posts really advocacy though?

All the good intentions in the world won't make these posters effective. The campaign strategy needs to be smarter, and communicated better.

Fighting the sediment that settles in the comments section of news websites isn't going to achieve anything.

Transport planning is changing fast, and cycling infrastructure is a massive priority - even without state funding here. But what is built often isn't safe. You need to be smart and target the right people, because misguided campaigns won't achieve anything.
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:33 pm

Alistair wrote:
human909 wrote:My goal in cycling advocacy is to make it a safer place for all cyclists.


Are righteous forum posts really advocacy though?

All the good intentions in the world won't make these posters effective. The campaign strategy needs to be smarter, and communicated better.

Fighting the sediment that settles in the comments section of news websites isn't going to achieve anything.

Transport planning is changing fast, and cycling infrastructure is a massive priority - even without state funding here. But what is built often isn't safe. You need to be smart and target the right people, because misguided campaigns won't achieve anything.

Infrastructure is a priority for who? In regards to budgets, it's nearly always left to Joe Blow to organise any form of campaign with regards to us. The Qld Govt allocated $100,000 in last years budget for "education" campaigns, all of which was chewed up in three days of statewide publication in print media.
They won't spend and we can't spend.
Finally, if you don't like SCA pointing out the bleeeding obvious, tell your mates to pull their heads in. We all know them, either by name, usual time or usual place.
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:49 pm

G'day Bill Watson :)
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:50 pm

He's a motorist.
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:50 pm

...and I'm getting my post count up.
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby human909 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:56 pm

kb wrote:It's a rare individual that doesn't. Often deserving serious respect.

[Edit: That didn't come out quite right :-) I'm not casting aspersions. It's clear that you do think about what you do]

That may be partly why there is so much disagreement here. The Golden Rule is too simplistic. People just vary too much. I'd call it a starting point.

Discussions about morals is clearly a big tangent and not exactly needed in this debate. However thanks for your recognition here, and thanks for at least stepping up to philosophical level in reply. :wink:

Alistair wrote:
human909 wrote:My goal in cycling advocacy is to make it a safer place for all cyclists.


Are righteous forum posts really advocacy though?

All the good intentions in the world won't make these posters effective. The campaign strategy needs to be smarter, and communicated better.

Fighting the sediment that settles in the comments section of news websites isn't going to achieve anything.

Transport planning is changing fast, and cycling infrastructure is a massive priority - even without state funding here. But what is built often isn't safe. You need to be smart and target the right people, because misguided campaigns won't achieve anything.

I completely agree with you Alistair. I think you may have quoted my comment by mistake though. :D
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby Alistair » Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:06 pm

The 2nd Womble wrote:
Alistair wrote:
human909 wrote:My goal in cycling advocacy is to make it a safer place for all cyclists.


Are righteous forum posts really advocacy though?

All the good intentions in the world won't make these posters effective. The campaign strategy needs to be smarter, and communicated better.

Fighting the sediment that settles in the comments section of news websites isn't going to achieve anything.

Transport planning is changing fast, and cycling infrastructure is a massive priority - even without state funding here. But what is built often isn't safe. You need to be smart and target the right people, because misguided campaigns won't achieve anything.

Infrastructure is a priority for who? In regards to budgets, it's nearly always left to Joe Blow to organise any form of campaign with regards to us. The Qld Govt allocated $100,000 in last years budget for "education" campaigns, all of which was chewed up in three days of statewide publication in print media.
They won't spend and we can't spend.
Finally, if you don't like SCA pointing out the bleeeding obvious, tell your mates to pull their heads in. We all know them, either by name, usual time or usual place.


Every major project - look at feasibilities and master plans for shopping centres to skyscrapers and everything between. What is built often is poorly thought out. That isn't government money, but might be the difference between thousands considering riding a bike or not. These projects conciously don't provide parking now, and promote active transport.

If the budget is only $100k, why not use it better? Whoever decided on that strategy is obviously an idiot.

I'm not sure who you think my "mates" are, but I'm just suggesting more consideration be put into developing realistic strategies. This is what I do, and I can see how good your intentions are.

I don't intend to post in here again - i was updating my computer and strayed in here on my phone while I was waiting. It won't happen again!
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby The 2nd Womble » Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:10 pm

Twas' a generalisation
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby human909 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:58 am

I think many of us saw the results of the questions from a motorist thread. I'm glad I haven't dared looked into it after the 3rd post until now.

Simply put lets not try to hard to police our own, certainly not publically, lest we continue to ingrain the notion that we are responsible for the 1%! Cyclists are not a community any more than 'motorists' are a community.
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby lethoso » Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:02 pm

The 2nd Womble wrote:in my opinion and everyone elses


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If the lights are being crashed so hard perhaps the council should look at redesigning the intersection. People do what people do.
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby GraemeL » Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:48 am

human909 wrote:You haven't answered the question. What is the big problem caused by cyclists running red lights? What is this similar tune?

I will continue to ignore red lights as a pedestrian and a cyclist when they are serving no safety purpose and there is no inconvenience caused by my actions to others. If running red lights is what causes motorists to be hostile to cyclists then they must damn well hate pedestrians! :mrgreen:


You are concentrating on an largely irrelevant issue to cycling safety that isn't going to get 'solved' by your campaign rather than focussing on the "real issues" (your words not mine!) in cycling safety. Furthermore you are reinforcing the idea that cyclists running red lights is a pressing problem that needs to be solved. That isn't good PR for cyclists.


Well we all might as well just ignore all laws, I mean after all there are some that I think are stupid and I am sure there are others who have their own ideas of stupid laws. Where would we be if we all took your attitude?

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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby human909 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:27 pm

GraemeL wrote:Well we all might as well just ignore all laws

No. That is not the logical conclusion.

GraemeL wrote:I mean after all there are some that I think are stupid and I am sure there are others who have their own ideas of stupid laws. Where would we be if we all took your attitude?


Probably where we are today already! A likely improvement because I would consider myself more law abiding and socially responsible than the average citizen.

Do you really think that innocuous laws aren't being broken every second of everyday? In fact I'd be extremely surprised if you didn't break one weekly, if not daily. Be it driving or cycling. In fact there is a pretty good chance your bike, house, car and computer are all in breach of some law.

Our life is full of laws and full of minor innocuous breeches of them. If I walk against the red man when there is no, I don't see that as the thin end of the wedge to a rampant criminal. :wink: If you do, then you need a reality check.
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby AUbicycles » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:47 am

There was a Ninja out today, he must have been in training for the National Ninja Day.
The harder it is to see a ninja, the better they avoid the danger of being hit.

Let make it fun, here is a screengrab from my ride this morning, about 5:30am. Can you spot the Ninja?

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(in reading back a bit, my ontopic post may be offtopic.... sorry if this post didn't offend you)
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby hannos » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:51 am

AUbicycles wrote:There was a Ninja out today, he must have been in training for the National Ninja Day.
The harder it is to see a ninja, the better they avoid the danger of being hit.

Let make it fun, here is a screengrab from my ride this morning, about 5:30am. Can you spot the Ninja?

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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby ZepinAtor » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:56 am

I can see a shape there as well, but I think you'll find that's a drop bear.

The Ninja is the one in the black robe with a Samurai sword just to the left.
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Re: National Ninja Day - Saturday Oct 6.

Postby hannos » Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:05 am

Assuming straight ahead is North.

The ninja is NW of the light spot on the ground in front of Christopher
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