Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

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Re: Wiggins drug denial

Postby biker jk » Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:48 pm

find_bruce wrote:
Strawburger wrote:I love this
completely baseless smears emerged


from news.com.au. That is pretty much their entire publication!

It is one of those "what I say" versus "what I mean" type comments. What they really mean is that "we wish to publish allegations against Wiggins, but we don't want to be sued for defamation"


Are you suggesting that the Murdoch owned press would suggest Wiggins is doping? You do know that Murdoch is a part owner of Sky TV?
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby drubie » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:58 pm

Unsurprisingly, newscorp gives Wiggo a 10 out of 10 for believability.

Excuse me while I go wash cos you mongrels made me visit newscorp.
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Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby find_bruce » Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:06 pm

biker jk wrote:
find_bruce wrote:
Strawburger wrote:I love this
[quote]completely baseless smears emerged


from news.com.au. That is pretty much their entire publication!

It is one of those "what I say" versus "what I mean" type comments. What they really mean is that "we wish to publish allegations against Wiggins, but we don't want to be sued for defamation"


Are you suggesting that the Murdoch owned press would suggest Wiggins is doping? You do know that Murdoch is a part owner of Sky TV?[/quote]
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby Mulger bill » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:31 pm

drubie wrote:Excuse me while I go wash cos you mongrels made me visit newscorp.

:lol: :lol: You'll need to bathe in degreaser for an hour...
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby familyguy » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:25 am

http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/ ... s-positive

Not limited to upper level cycling either.

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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby twizzle » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:56 am

familyguy wrote:http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2012/david-anthony-tests-positive

Not limited to upper level cycling either.

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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby Chuck » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:32 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/opini ... wanted=all

Doping can be that last 2 percent.

How much does that last 2 percent really matter?

in the Tour de France, 2 percent is the difference between first and 100th place in overall time.
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby wombatK » Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:41 pm

Chuck wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/opinion/sunday/how-to-get-doping-out-of-sports.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&pagewanted=all

Vaughters is confident the sport is now clean. But when you see the light handed treatment Contador received from his
Spanish federation, it's easy to imagine that not everyone might be tested with the same rigour, and possibly not be as clean
as others.

I'll be more convinced when you can't drug-up, take a short (2 year) suspension, then come back to win an Olympic Gold.

Victor Conte, the master-chemist behind the BALCO drug lab, claimed that 60% of athletes at the London
Games were doping and took aim particularly at the out-of-competition testing. He has long argued that the only way to get a level playing field is to allow open-slather for the drug labs. Conte has clearly got a wheelbarrow that he's pushing here. London has made an advance with retrospective testing, but maybe something more needs to be done in some countries with OOC.

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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby Speedster » Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:17 am

wombatK wrote:I'll be more convinced when you can't drug-up, take a short (2 year) suspension, then come back to win an Olympic Gold.


I assume you are referring to Vino? When did Vino "drug-up"? I thought his suspension was for blood doping. Understand the sentiment but don't tar him with the Drug Cheat Brush when he has never tested positive for a banned substance.
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby RICHARDH » Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:49 am

What is the bleeding difference between blood doping and banned substances, he cheated the rest is semantics
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby find_bruce » Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:55 am

wombatK wrote:I'll be more convinced when you can't drug-up, take a short (2 year) suspension, then come back to win an Olympic Gold.

Speedster wrote:I assume you are referring to Vino? When did Vino "drug-up"? I thought his suspension was for blood doping. Understand the sentiment but don't tar him with the Drug Cheat Brush when he has never tested positive for a banned substance.

You are right Speedster there is such a huge moral difference between cheating by blood doping and cheating by drug taking.

Of course he only visited Doctor Michele Ferrari for training plans :roll:
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby biker jk » Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:10 pm

Speedster wrote:
wombatK wrote:I'll be more convinced when you can't drug-up, take a short (2 year) suspension, then come back to win an Olympic Gold.


I assume you are referring to Vino? When did Vino "drug-up"? I thought his suspension was for blood doping. Understand the sentiment but don't tar him with the Drug Cheat Brush when he has never tested positive for a banned substance.


Vinokourov tested positive for blood doping at the 2007 TdF.
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby JV911 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:47 pm

Lance Update:

Armstrong drops drugs fight: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/arm ... .html#poll
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby JV911 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:15 am

Danish Cycling Union board member tests positive

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12750 ... z2559RLtQq
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby DavidS » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:11 pm

You do wonder about how serious the UCI is about anti-doping when they are trying to silence both Greg LeMonde and Floyd Landis. They do seem to want to basically shut down the debate rather than clean up the sport.

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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby roller » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:25 am

DavidS wrote:You do wonder about how serious the UCI is about anti-doping when they are trying to silence both Greg LeMonde and Floyd Landis. They do seem to want to basically shut down the debate rather than clean up the sport.

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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby biker jk » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:52 am

USADA report in Lance Armstrong doping conspiracy.

http://cyclinginvestigation.usada.org/
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby MichaelB » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:16 pm

The sad thing about the Lance/USPS saga is all of the other people that have been quiet over the years and the investigation that have now "confessed" (after retiring :roll: ).

Some of them have been held up as good role models and not even proffered any comments before.

Hopefully this is the start of the end to those that haven't confessed/been caught before.

Also , if they are genmuine, makes mockery of the "I've passed all the tests, and no positives" defence :cry:
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby clackers » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:33 pm

White's just stood down, but you've got to think it's just to give time to consult sponsors over whether they could tolerate him remaining in charge. His baggage might not sit well with a team promoting itself as something new and different.
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby gdt » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:52 pm

Remember how L'Equipe leaked the UCI's 0 to 10 list of probability of doping use prior to the 2010 Tour de France? Here are the people mentioned in this week's news:
0 (no suspicion): Michael Barry, David Zabriskie.
1: George Hincapie
4 (not even half way to 10): Lance Armstrong, Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde
Hmmm.
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby gdt » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:03 pm

Front page of the Adelaide Sunday Mail is a story that the Tour Down Under neglected to mention to the media that a 2003 stage winner was later stripped of the place after failing doping tests.
TOUR DOPE UNDER: Stage winner tests positive, stripped of purse
"It would have been published on the (International Cycling Union's) UCI website that he was found to be in violation of the code and that's how it's dealt with," Mr Turtur said.

"Race organisers don't go around publicising or advertising or making a point of any doping infringements because it's not their job or their responsibility.

"The organisers manage the race, the UCI manage the sport.

"That's the normal and accepted procedure since day one. The Tour de France might work a bit differently because of what it is and the world-wide media, they will actually go out and state that this has happened.

"It's not that they're breaking the news it's already been identified by the doping agency."
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby clackers » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:37 am

gdt wrote:Remember how L'Equipe leaked the UCI's 0 to 10 list of probability of doping use prior to the 2010 Tour de France? Here are the people mentioned in this week's news:
0 (no suspicion): Michael Barry, David Zabriskie.
1: George Hincapie
4 (not even half way to 10): Lance Armstrong, Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde
Hmmm.


Yep, probability of the UCI being competent and trustworthy enough to run a clean sport, GDT? Also 0.

We can add the US Government to this, which to the amazement of its investigators quietly and suddenly shut down its case this year while sports journos were concentrating on the Superbowl.

Luckily USADA was able to reuse evidence that the Feds had collected but then decided not to act on!
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Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling

Postby find_bruce » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:55 am

gdt wrote:Remember how L'Equipe leaked the UCI's 0 to 10 list of probability of doping use prior to the 2010 Tour de France? Here are the people mentioned in this week's news:
0 (no suspicion): Michael Barry, David Zabriskie.
1: George Hincapie
4 (not even half way to 10): Lance Armstrong, Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde
Hmmm.

That's a bit harsh - the UCI list was "based on riders's biological passports and blood tests ahead of the Tour, according to L'Equipe." ie it related solely to the 2010 tour, not whether they had ever doped. Barry, Zabriske, Leipheimer & Vande Velde all say they have raced clean since 2006 or thereabouts and none of those riders have been sanctioned for doping in 2010.

In relation to Armstong, the finding of the USADA for 2009 & 2010 was based on autologous transfusion (ie his own blood) - the findings in this regard are the first time that such a test has been accepted.

This new test has very interesting implications - for example one of the explanations for Bertie's positive test was that he had previously used clembuterol & he then had an transfusion which still contained traces - the evidence was said to be of plasticisers. If they applied the analysis for Armstrong to Bertie (and others) now, how many would be found to be blood doping ?
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