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Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby The 2nd Womble » Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:14 pm

I don't have a poll option but these are the questions:

1) Do you think it's acceptable not to wear a helmet when you ride under the current laws?
2) Do you think it's unnacceptable not to?
3) Do you think it's still optional regardless?

Just a simple 1, 2 or 3 will do. I'm very keen to see the results.
BTW we already have an MHL thread so if it degenerates into another prospective 2 year debate the mod's will lock this. If you have an opinion please post in that thread.
If someone can create the poll proper I'd appreciate it.
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby ldrcycles » Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:41 pm

2) laws the law, deal with it.
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby Mulger bill » Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:50 pm

Evening all.

Unfortunately, polls can't be created in this sub forum.

I'm not going to ask you to respect Daves attempt to get raw data rather than try to wade through multiple pages of back and forth in that other thread.

I am demanding it!

Simple 1, 2 or 3 responses only. Go loud in that other thread if you feel you must.

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Try me.

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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby The 2nd Womble » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:01 pm

Ouch! :shock:
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby lturner » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:05 pm

1) Acceptable.

Aren't options 1 & 3 the same? If you think helmets are optional, obviously you believe that it's acceptable not to wear one.
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby The 2nd Womble » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:07 pm

1, 2 or 3... :)
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby lturner » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:09 pm

The 2nd Womble wrote:1, 2 or 3... :)


yep, noted and amended. :wink:
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby Mulger bill » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:12 pm

lturner wrote:
The 2nd Womble wrote:1, 2 or 3... :)


yep, noted and amended. :wink:


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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby RonK » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:15 pm

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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby The 2nd Womble » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:16 pm

Lolz close call there. MB's scaring me tonight. It's kinda sexy.
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby damhooligan » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:16 pm

The 2nd Womble wrote:I don't have a poll option but these are the questions:

1) Do you think it's acceptable not to wear a helmet when you ride under the current laws?
2) Do you think it's unnacceptable not to?
3) Do you think it's still optional regardless?

Just a simple 1, 2 or 3 will do. I'm very keen to see the results.
BTW we already have an MHL thread so if it degenerates into another prospective 2 year debate the mod's will lock this. If you have an opinion please post in that thread.
If someone can create the poll proper I'd appreciate it.


1. it is acceptable to not wear a helmet.

p.s., could we move to this into a location where we can vote/poll ??
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby im_no_pro » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:37 pm

2 for mine.

And im sitting just off MB's shoulder looking for any scraps he misses. I'm tipping i'll go hungry though.
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby human909 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:22 am

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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby greyhoundtom » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:29 am

Definitely 1

But..... because I’m on an old age pension and simply can’t afford the fine, I cannot.......... :(
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby jimsheedy » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:59 am

1.

I'm predicting this won't get to two pages.

edit. sorry misread the options
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby The 2nd Womble » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:04 am

Only because people would rather argue the points till the cows come home? This way you get to make your opinion known - and everyone has a very strong opinion on this - without others wanting to switch off before they've read everything. Win.
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby The 2nd Womble » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:07 am

It's a very definite 2 from here btw.
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby ILMB » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:29 am

The 2nd Womble wrote:1) Do you think it's acceptable not to wear a helmet when you ride under the current laws?
2) Do you think it's unnacceptable not to?
3) Do you think it's still optional regardless?


I'm a 2 as I try to be law-abiding, but would be a 3 if I could.

However I think there would be real benefit in adding further questions:

2.1: Do you support MHLs? Yes/No

2.2: If the MHL was repealed, and as an adult:
2.2.1: Would you still always wear a helmet
2.2.2: Would you sometimes not wear a helmet
2.2.3: Would you throw the helmet away

2.3: If the MHL was repealed, and as a parent:
2.3.1: Would your children still always wear a helmet
2.3.2: Would your children sometimes not wear a helmet
2.3.3: Would you throw the kids' helmets away

Edit: Fixed numbering
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby KenGS » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:40 pm

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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby Mulger bill » Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:27 pm

ILoveMyBike wrote:
The 2nd Womble wrote:1) Do you think it's acceptable not to wear a helmet when you ride under the current laws?
2) Do you think it's unnacceptable not to?
3) Do you think it's still optional regardless?


I'm a 2 as I try to be law-abiding, but would be a 3 if I could.

However I think there would be real benefit in adding further questions:

2.1: Do you support MHLs? Yes/No

2.2: If the MHL was repealed, and as an adult:
2.2.1: Would you still always wear a helmet
2.2.2: Would you sometimes not wear a helmet
2.2.3: Would you throw the helmet away

2.2: If the MHL was repealed, and as a parent:
2.2.1: Would your children still always wear a helmet
2.2.2: Would your children sometimes not wear a helmet
2.2.3: Would you throw the kids' helmets away


I did a poll on this waaaay back when this subforum allowed polls. IIRC, the result was pretty much a 2.2.2.

I'm a solid 1 with the footnote that repealing MHLs will not change my behaviour one bit.
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby human909 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:33 pm

Mulger bill wrote:I'm a solid 1 with the footnote that repealing MHLs will not change my behaviour one bit.


Its interesting, I'm honestly unsure how my behaviour would change. I think for recreational / fitness riding I'll continue wearing a helmet 100% of the time. My shorter distance local commutes... Well I think I'd just take the easy option. If the helmet is hanging from the handlebars then I'll probably just throw it on. Though at the moment sometimes I feel it is my obligation to disobey MHLs.

If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.
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(Also, I outdoor rock climb regularly and I choose to wear a helmet, not everyone does.)

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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby RonK » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:52 pm

I think I need to pinch myself - what did human909 just say? :)
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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby Baldy » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:06 pm

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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby Comedian » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:10 pm

1)

I see so so many other laws being broken...,
Once you can climb hills on a bike it's all downhill. :mrgreen:

Hopefully I'll know what that's like..... one day. :shock: :lol:

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Re: Do you support helmet less riding while we have MHL's

Postby DavidS » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:43 am

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I think it is acceptable to not wear a helmet under the current laws. Note the word acceptable. Many other things come into consideration: from a moral and political standpoint I do think civil disobedience is reasonable in the face of a law you find unjustifiable but this is a strategy you have to consider in relation to whether the strategy will work or not. While I would continue to support civil disobedience I don't think it would be a successful strategy in this instance. While I may find this acceptable I do wear a helmet for the simple reason that I do not wish to pay the fines, I would get caught as I ride to work every day and mainly ride on roads. Laws should be the servant of the people, not the master.

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