Embarrassing Jerseys
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby DavidL » Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:20 pm
+1PB12IN wrote:Compairing sports people to war vets is a bit of a stretch.
And a bit insulting to vets.
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby Semar » Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:34 pm
But this one is a cringer
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:09 pm
Kemp, I don't think anyone cares who is wearing what on the street, but the jerseys do mean something and there are places where that sort of thing is important. In fact, there are places where that sort of thing is not allowed. There are rules. While there is nothing to stop people from doing things like this in normal life, similarly there is nothing to stop people from being annoyed by it for whatever reason. War medals, tribal tattoos, badges of rank, uniforms, even titles of address are all ways of communicating and they all have a meaning, which is important.Kemp wrote:I can't believe how uptight some people are about this WC jersey business. It's about the same as Joe Blow walking down the street with an 'I won the Nobel Prize for x' t-shirt. They shouldn't be taken seriously. After all, what business is it of anyone else's what jersey someone decides to wear? I couldn't care if someone rode past me in a pink tu-tu with a feather duster. If that's their thing then so what? Sure, they might look like a goof, but why would you be worried or annoyed about someone else looking like a goof?
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby __PG__ » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:56 pm
I don't buy team gear anymore, but IMO a cyclist wearing a 'pro' jersey is no different to turning up to a casual 5-a-side in the park with a Premier League jersey on.
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby toolonglegs » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:28 pm
That is because the sponsor of the KOM jersey hands out a lot of Maillot aux pois T-shirts ( and hats) near the summit of the Tour de France cols... people don't buy them.Cruiserman wrote:Wow lots of ignorant and insulting people camped on the major climbs in the Tour then hey, often it is a sea of polka dots there. Hmm maybe they are exercising free will and buying a jersey to show which part of the sport they prefer.
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby pauls51 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:33 pm
At the end of the day we are all on the same team!!! Go out and ride!
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby m@ » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:39 pm
Not quite.DavidL wrote:+1PB12IN wrote:Compairing sports people to war vets is a bit of a stretch.
And a bit insulting to vets.
This thread is dead.
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You know who else liked medals and ribbons? HITLER!
NOW this thread is dead!
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby PA » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:58 pm
If I was given a jersey with some design similar to that worn by the KOM or some other award I would not have a problem wearing it. No one is going to think I won it when they see me.
Some people around here might need to stop reading The Rules and lighten up. Except for the matching kit, wear a team top then your choices are team knicks or black knicks.
Anyway I have had my little rant and now you can go back to saying how ridiculous a rider who wears a yellow jersey on the road looks.
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby ozzymac » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:34 pm
That would give everyone something to complain about then.... Oh my eyes...........
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:49 pm
Then we'd have people wearing stretch marks they didn't earn.ozzymac wrote:Maybe we should all just ride naked.....
That would give everyone something to complain about then.... Oh my eyes...........
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby PB12IN » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:57 pm
Its alright I have a fur suit.ozzymac wrote:Maybe we should all just ride naked.....
That would give everyone something to complain about then.... Oh my eyes...........
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby Kemp » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:35 pm
There are places where wearing a WC jersey would probably be inappropriate, I agree. But if we're going to be specific, the let's be specific. The opening poster is referring to receiving a KOM jersey from a friend or relative. Presumably this rider is not a professional, and therefore is talking about wearing the jersey for everyday public use like most of us on here, and that's the context that I'm speaking to, not a context that involves any kind of official protocols, rules or regulations that apply to professional cyclists.bigfriendlyvegan wrote:Kemp, I don't think anyone cares who is wearing what on the street, but the jerseys do mean something and there are places where that sort of thing is important. In fact, there are places where that sort of thing is not allowed. There are rules. While there is nothing to stop people from doing things like this in normal life, similarly there is nothing to stop people from being annoyed by it for whatever reason. War medals, tribal tattoos, badges of rank, uniforms, even titles of address are all ways of communicating and they all have a meaning, which is important.Kemp wrote:I can't believe how uptight some people are about this WC jersey business. It's about the same as Joe Blow walking down the street with an 'I won the Nobel Prize for x' t-shirt. They shouldn't be taken seriously. After all, what business is it of anyone else's what jersey someone decides to wear? I couldn't care if someone rode past me in a pink tu-tu with a feather duster. If that's their thing then so what? Sure, they might look like a goof, but why would you be worried or annoyed about someone else looking like a goof?
You're right that they mean something, but meaning is always relative to context. The colour yellow does not always designate the leader of the tour de france, nor does someone wearing a yellow t-shirt, or even someone wearing a yellow t-shirt on a bicycle. The meaning of the jerseys is relevant in the context of professional cycling, but there is a difference between being involved in professional cycling and merely knowing about a jersey that does or does not have some significant meaning. If a rider were to wear the leader's jersey during the tour de france and they were not the leader, then yes -- how offensive and stupid and against the rules. But on the road where those rules don't apply, with everyone else who isn't competing in the tour... so what.
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby clackers » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:38 pm
If you're wearing a Packers jersey, Paul, you're showing support, but if you're also brandishing a replica Superbowl ring, this might not be considered a good call.pauls51 wrote:Damn!!!! I better stop wearing my pies jersey, my real madrid jersey's and my blackhawks jersey's, because apparently I didn't earn them...
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:02 pm
I agree that people can wear what they want, but I also agree that people are allowed to be annoyed with it. Someone bought up war medals and it's very easy for me to go to a surplus store or online and buy a variety of replica medals (or even real ones). If a veteran got annoyed with me for wearing them because I didn't earn them, he'd be perfectly right to be annoyed. Similarly, if I decided that Maori facial tattoos would be a good idea and some Maori's got annoyed, we'd still both be right to hold our respective opinions.Kemp wrote:There are places where wearing a WC jersey would probably be inappropriate, I agree. But if we're going to be specific, the let's be specific. The opening poster is referring to receiving a KOM jersey from a friend or relative. Presumably this rider is not a professional, and therefore is talking about wearing the jersey for everyday public use like most of us on here, and that's the context that I'm speaking to, not a context that involves any kind of official protocols, rules or regulations that apply to professional cyclists.bigfriendlyvegan wrote:Kemp, I don't think anyone cares who is wearing what on the street, but the jerseys do mean something and there are places where that sort of thing is important. In fact, there are places where that sort of thing is not allowed. There are rules. While there is nothing to stop people from doing things like this in normal life, similarly there is nothing to stop people from being annoyed by it for whatever reason. War medals, tribal tattoos, badges of rank, uniforms, even titles of address are all ways of communicating and they all have a meaning, which is important.Kemp wrote:I can't believe how uptight some people are about this WC jersey business. It's about the same as Joe Blow walking down the street with an 'I won the Nobel Prize for x' t-shirt. They shouldn't be taken seriously. After all, what business is it of anyone else's what jersey someone decides to wear? I couldn't care if someone rode past me in a pink tu-tu with a feather duster. If that's their thing then so what? Sure, they might look like a goof, but why would you be worried or annoyed about someone else looking like a goof?
You're right that they mean something, but meaning is always relative to context. The colour yellow does not always designate the leader of the tour de france, nor does someone wearing a yellow t-shirt, or even someone wearing a yellow t-shirt on a bicycle. The meaning of the jerseys is relevant in the context of professional cycling, but there is a difference between being involved in professional cycling and merely knowing about a jersey that does or does not have some significant meaning. If a rider were to wear the leader's jersey during the tour de france and they were not the leader, then yes -- how offensive and stupid and against the rules. But on the road where those rules don't apply, with everyone else who isn't competing in the tour... so what.
The argument of "what difference does it make?" is a very complex one. If you want to go down this pathway, maybe we should start discussing art installations such as Serrano's Piss Christ. Symbols are important, to some.
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby The 2nd Womble » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:23 pm
I am astounded though by the snobbery of some of you guys. Millions of cyclists through the years have worn many well known and historically significant jerseys on their rides. IMO it's reflective of the rich history and fanatical love of the sport.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying the maillot jaune as a result of being proud of Cuddle's efforts. In fact they sell thousands if not more worldwide every year, and they don't all hang on the walls of those who can afford them do they? That you can't wear one because you didn't earn it is a pathetic view.
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby skull » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:41 pm
Clearer argument below
No for those that brought the whole comparison of sports peeps to veterans argument into this thread "stuff you", trying to use those sort of comparison has pissed me off and unless you have served in warlike service, pull your head in.
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby toolonglegs » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:59 pm
But IMO it's reflective of the rich history and fanatical love of the sport that the wearing of certain jersey's is a sticking point... personally I don't really care but I would never wear one myself.
If you are going to ride around in a world champions jersey then be prepared for someone to comment on it. Some people are bothered by such comments, some are not.
I prefer my sponsors kit .
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby briztoon » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:44 am
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I guess they don't mind fans wearing them if they sell them. But seeing as it's a cycling fashion faux pas I guess I'll just continue wearing my htc highroad kit. After all it is cool to wear kit of now defunct teams isn't it? isn't it?
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby skull » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:44 am
Trying to pull similarities between Veterans and cyclists is a massive strawman.
Now if someone was to try and impersonate a Veteran they are usually outed and made to present their case. There is a great website http://www.anzmi.net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; that has great stories of military imposters. There are other ways someone provides support to Veterans by wearing commemorative clothes, flag waving ect. Hell when someone wears camo clothing (which is rather popular) does that mean it is bad form because they are wearing clothing similar to that of the military?
But anyway no way in comparison to a person wearing a jersey of a team, national champs, world champs. Now if the person was wearing the kit to try and play off that they are in such team or are a champ sure, bad form, but they aren't. Hell they aren't even in a race wearing the kit they are out riding around.
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
Postby CatCanRide » Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:10 am
Agree that you shouldn't wear these special jerseys in a competition where you have not earned them, but if they are available to the average Joe on the street, then wearing them on the street is surely acceptable.
If you have a problem with that then the appropriate action would be to take it up with the manufacturers who make the jerseys for general sale.
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Re: Embarrassing Jerseys
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