Ultegra versus 105
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Ultegra versus 105
Postby Jeremy » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:28 pm
Frames are identical, and I currently only have Sora 8sp on my bike.
I'm only a casual rider at this stage, but thinking about racing crits, as well as doing the usual bike SA rides throughout the year.
Theres only about 60grams weight difference between the two as I see it.....am I missing something?
Opinions greatly appreciated,
Jeremy
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Postby uncle arthur » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:41 pm
If you read the Shimano specs info, the 105 is designed to be more durable and reliable than the Ultegra - and more aimed at a consumer level rather than a racer level - that said, the boys at the cafe will be impressed by your Ultegra more than they will 105.toolonglegs wrote:Go the ultegra...it is as good as Dura Ace but stiffer (AND OF COURSE HEAVIER! )...new 105 looks pretty good but ultegra is always a safe bet.
http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/vichpv/we ... parts.html
At the end of the day - can you lose a couple of grams of your waist? Then you'll probably end up with the same result weight wise on the bike, with $400 in your pocket for jerseys, knicks, and other bits.....
If it were me, I'd be going for 105 - it works nice and smooth, and I do like the polished finish.....
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Postby toolonglegs » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:39 pm
That reads like a pile of old hogwash to meuncle arthur wrote:If you read the Shimano specs info, the 105 is designed to be more durable and reliable than the Ultegra - and more aimed at a consumer level rather than a racer level - that said, the boys at the cafe will be impressed by your Ultegra more than they will 105.toolonglegs wrote:Go the ultegra...it is as good as Dura Ace but stiffer (AND OF COURSE HEAVIER! )...new 105 looks pretty good but ultegra is always a safe bet.
http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/vichpv/we ... parts.html
At the end of the day - can you lose a couple of grams of your waist? Then you'll probably end up with the same result weight wise on the bike, with $400 in your pocket for jerseys, knicks, and other bits.....
If it were me, I'd be going for 105 - it works nice and smooth, and I do like the polished finish.....
Ultegra is on an exact par to XT....and no one will dispute that XT is the strongest most reliable group set in the the shimano range to put on a mtb.I would still get the ultegra...I guarantee there is a better feel with the Ultegra,better shifting for sure...do a 105 vs Ultegra search if you dont believe me.
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Postby Deanj » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:42 pm
I mulled over a similar decision recently when buying my MTB. I went with the better groupset bits and glad I did. If cash is ok I'd go ultegra.
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Postby Jeremy » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:37 pm
http://www.orbea.com.au/bikes/road_bicycles/dauphine
http://www.orbea.com.au/bikes/road_bicycles/vuelta
there is a link to the specs under each image......
Which model I go for depends on what I decide is best value for money.....that's what i'm hoping you guys can help me with
I'm not sure that it will actually be $400 difference, as i'm not sure what wheels i want to use either (I could use my current wheels).
I could find the extra money if needed, but there are certainly other things I could use that money on.
From what i've read, the new 10sp 105 is a good piece of kit, and 100% compatible with ultegra/dura ace....so if i pick up a few bits and pieces along the way (when on special from PBK or whatever) then i can upgrade bit by bit as i feel necessary.
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Postby inaminit » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:02 pm
I'm running 105, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, it does it's job, and serves me well. However, when any of the bits need replacing, I'll be replacing them with Ultegra (budget permitting).
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Postby Mulger bill » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:11 pm
Point is Jeremy, is there other ways you could be spending those $400 that will provide better value for money than the higher gruppo?, you know, lighter wheels and tyres, a tubeless conversion, B17 saddle , even down to a few sessions with a trainer to identify any problems with your form or training approach, the list is as long as you can think
I'm another one of the school who thinks the frame of the bike should outlast at least three drivetrains, upgrading as you go. Given a chance, I'd be happy to buy a "solid gold" frame with EPNS components, knowing that the bits'd be swapped out a piece at a time pretty quickly with the funds controller none the wiser Small purchases are so much easier to conceal
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Postby Addict » Wed May 14, 2008 9:30 pm
speaking with the salesman - the 08 105 group set was last years 'ultegra'. Quality,build etc has improved so much infact ultegra rebadging (ultegra sl?).
What does everyone else think? go the ultegra?
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Postby Jeremy » Wed May 14, 2008 9:50 pm
It's more than capable of running smoothly enough for normal riding....when i get up to the pointier end of the field i may revisit the idea of upgrading.....but for now i figure more benefits can be made from saving the dollars and working on the engine
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Postby sandman » Fri May 16, 2008 1:03 pm
Personally if you had the money, go full Ultegra
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Postby nzdans » Sat May 17, 2008 12:21 am
Ultegra is by far the best value grouppo. I have owned a number of 105 and Ultegra bikes and would not recommend 105 unless you are doing minimal Kms; it will not last anywhere near as long. There is a noticeable performance difference all around as well.
I have just bought my 1st full Dura-Ace bike (retail-waaagh!) so am looking forward to this experience and seeing just how well this grouppo lasts with my fat arse atop.
Happy shopping!
Postby wallaby77 » Sat May 17, 2008 12:48 am
Don't get me wrong 105 works just fine but if you can find those few extra $$$ I'd go for the Ultegra.
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Re: Ultegra versus 105
Postby bigbuzz73 » Mon May 19, 2008 10:38 pm
Hi Jeremy,Jeremy wrote:Ok, it looks like I may be forced into an early upgrade shortly, and i'm tossing up whether to go for the Ultegra equipped bike for $400 extra, or just be happy with the 105.
Frames are identical, and I currently only have Sora 8sp on my bike.
I'm only a casual rider at this stage, but thinking about racing crits, as well as doing the usual bike SA rides throughout the year.
Theres only about 60grams weight difference between the two as I see it.....am I missing something?
Opinions greatly appreciated,
Jeremy
Ever heard the old saying "Shimano wears out: Campag wears in"? It is as true now as it has ever been. Besides, Campag is heaps cooler!
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Re: Ultegra versus 105
Postby swishy » Sun May 25, 2008 7:47 pm
Frames are identical, and I currently only have Sora 8sp on my bike.
I'm only a casual rider at this stage, but thinking about racing crits, as well as doing the usual bike SA rides throughout the year.
Theres only about 60grams weight difference between the two as I see it.....am I missing something?
Opinions greatly appreciated,
Jeremy [/quote]
Hi Jeremy,
Ever heard the old saying "Shimano wears out: Campag wears in"? It is as true now as it has ever been. Besides, Campag is heaps cooler![/quote]
Personally I'd go for whatever isn't cool.
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