Pedaling technique- what should the heels do?
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Pedaling technique- what should the heels do?
Postby Arlberg » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:10 pm
If keeping the foot flat is the correct technique, that seems a bit unnatural and puts a lot of strain on the calf muscle, and in my case the calves tire quite quickly.
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Re: Pedaling technique- what should the heels do?
Postby toolonglegs » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:23 pm
Push down hard, fast and often... let the rest of the rotation take care of itself.
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Postby Arlberg » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:32 pm
Thanks, but I'm very surprised at your answer! I realise most of the power comes from the downstroke, through a combination of pushing down and body weight, but what is the point of having cleats and fixing the feet to the pedals if it is not to be able to pull back at the bottom and then up on the upstroke? I find pulling back and then up on the pedals gives me considerably more power and speed, especially going uphill.toolonglegs wrote:All your power is made on the down stroke...full stop.
Push down hard, fast and often... let the rest of the rotation take care of itself.
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Postby toolonglegs » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:34 pm
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Re: Pedaling technique- what should the heels do?
Postby MarkG » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:34 am
Heel down, this brings in the quads , hamstrings and calves and helps distribution of the work.
Think of if as scraping crap off your shoe as you bring the heel up on the start of the up stroke.
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Postby gururug » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:44 am
What is important is a circular motion, think of even, smooth effort rather than the circle itself.
I have found a lot of "untrained riders" can gain a lot from 6.30o'clock to 10o'clock.
If you calves are tiring, you *may* benefit from a lower seat / shorter cranks.
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Postby vander » Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:47 am
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Postby toolonglegs » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:06 am
There is a reason the quads and butt are the biggest muscle groups... they should be doing the bulk of the work.MarkG wrote:Avoid toe pointing as it forces the quads to do the bulk of the work.
Heel down, this brings in the quads , hamstrings and calves and helps distribution of the work.
Think of if as scraping crap off your shoe as you bring the heel up on the start of the up stroke.
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Re: Pedaling technique- what should the heels do?
Postby AndrewBurns » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:33 am
They're also invaluable for when you're up out of the saddle sprinting, I often pull up hard when starting from stopped out of the saddle just to get that extra bit of power and to smooth out my pedaling so that the bike isn't flopping everywhere.
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Re: Pedaling technique- what should the heels do?
Postby orbeas » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:59 pm
When my calf muscles feel like guitar strings, my techique may need adjustment?toolonglegs wrote:There is a reason the quads and butt are the biggest muscle groups... they should be doing the bulk of the work.MarkG wrote:Avoid toe pointing as it forces the quads to do the bulk of the work.
Heel down, this brings in the quads , hamstrings and calves and helps distribution of the work.
Think of if as scraping crap off your shoe as you bring the heel up on the start of the up stroke.
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Re: Pedaling technique- what should the heels do?
Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:11 pm
What a load of crap.punk_rob wrote:http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2009/05/e ... e-ankling/
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:13 pm
Just about all of it.vander wrote:Not sure how much of it is red herrings
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Postby RobM » Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:02 pm
Whats your take Alex?Alex Simmons/RST wrote:What a load of crap.punk_rob wrote:http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2009/05/e ... e-ankling/
I am by no means an expert, but i find altering the drop of my heel when climbing can help use some different muscles and stretch the calves abit.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:13 pm
1. Get a good bike fitpunk_rob wrote: Whats your take Alex?
2. Focus on effort and choose an appropriate gear
3. Hills naturally make us pedal a little differently
4. If you have to think about pedalling, you're probably doing it wrong
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Postby Arlberg » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:09 pm
However I am convinced I get more power (and speed) when climbing by pulling up on the pedals on the upstrokes as well as pushing down on the downstrokes. I make sure I concentrate on pushing down from 12.00 until 06:30 on both sides, and that is my priority, but then I also pull up from 6:30 to 12:00 on both sides as much as possible.
Unfortunately I dont have a powermeter. Anyone with one care to perform a simple test? Do a couple of runs on a gentle hil, say 5-6% pedalling 'normally', then immediately afterwards a couple of runs with an active pull on the upstroke as well so we can compare speed and power over the set distance, then post on Strava for us to look at?
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:42 pm
Here, read through this:Arlberg wrote:Some interesting replies, thanks.
However I am convinced I get more power (and speed) when climbing by pulling up on the pedals on the upstrokes as well as pushing down on the downstrokes. I make sure I concentrate on pushing down from 12.00 until 06:30 on both sides, and that is my priority, but then I also pull up from 6:30 to 12:00 on both sides as much as possible.
Unfortunately I dont have a powermeter. Anyone with one care to perform a simple test? Do a couple of runs on a gentle hil, say 5-6% pedalling 'normally', then immediately afterwards a couple of runs with an active pull on the upstroke as well so we can compare speed and power over the set distance, then post on Strava for us to look at?
http://www.plan2peak.com/files/32_artic ... hnique.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Pedaling technique- what should the heels do?
Postby Ken Ho » Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:07 am
If I ever decide to get serious, I know who I'm calling.
ALex, do you have any comment on people moving quickly to riding clipped in ?
My feeling is that a good period riding in flats, as we all did as children, will teach people to keep their feet on the pedals, developing a Magnificent Stroke, replete with souplesse.
THe commonest advice given to adult noobs is to go clipless ASAP. I'm not convinced this is always a great idea.
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Re: Pedaling technique- what should the heels do?
Postby winstonw » Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:30 am
Thanks for posting that. Comparisons against an undefined or variable 'preferred technique' clouds the issue somewhat.Alex Simmons/RST wrote:Here, read through this:
http://www.plan2peak.com/files/32_artic ... hnique.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:06 am
If you intend to race, or ride in a manner that will involve simulated race like effort, then I suggest a move to clip in is important.Ken Ho wrote:Nice link , Alex.
If I ever decide to get serious, I know who I'm calling.
ALex, do you have any comment on people moving quickly to riding clipped in ?
My feeling is that a good period riding in flats, as we all did as children, will teach people to keep their feet on the pedals, developing a Magnificent Stroke, replete with souplesse.
THe commonest advice given to adult noobs is to go clipless ASAP. I'm not convinced this is always a great idea.
Otherwise, it's no big deal.
What matters more is good bike fit and doing enough training.
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Re: Pedaling technique- what should the heels do?
Postby clackers » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:23 am
Arlberg, I did a bike fit with the owner of an LBS (he'd been the Hong Kong national coach) and he said that method is great for track cyclists, but it consumes disproportionately more energy and is less suited for road cycling.Arlberg wrote:Some interesting replies, thanks.
However I am convinced I get more power (and speed) when climbing by pulling up on the pedals on the upstrokes as well as pushing down on the downstrokes. I make sure I concentrate on pushing down from 12.00 until 06:30 on both sides, and that is my priority, but then I also pull up from 6:30 to 12:00 on both sides as much as possible.
The bit more torque you get is offset by having to do more work kilometre after kilometre.
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