Disc road frame for commuting

[Releng]

I came across this on a well known auction site:
If only I had not just finished sorting the LeMond Cyclocross for commuting duties. This would have been so much easier.


I have no affiliation with the seller. Just thought people looking at this thread might find it interesting:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Salsa-Vaya-57cm-57-top-tube-/280981817708?pt=AU_Sport_Cycling_Bikes&hash=item416bd2496c

[Reman]

Yep, the Salsa frame was on my original short list with the Surly Disc Trucker. The geometry is about the same but the sizes don't go so large as the Surly, 57cm was the largest size if memory serves.

In the end though the Salsa frame would have been about $800 delivered as opposed to $500 for the Surly.

[Reman]

Have purchased 3T Arx Team stem (AT) 100mm and Campy PowerTorque cups from Evans, and just got a pair of Avid BB7 Road 160mms from Cycling Express.

Still to get most of group set, wheel build (except hubs), handlebars and seat post. About $1300 worth

Hoping to have it all together for an Xmas build.

[JustJames]

[nonchalant]

Last night I laced my rear hub to its rim.

Using spokes.

[/nonchalant]

Awesome! I now have something that looks very much like a wheel. The spokes are at the stage where they are just starting to take tension...and the wheel - for that is what it now is - has some lateral run out. Tomorrow I'll put it in a frame with some cable ties as reference points and true it up and tension it properly.

Lacing a wheel proved to be relatively straightforward. I'm guessing the tricksy bit will be to make it solid and true.

Yee haaaaaa!!!!!!

[Ozkaban]

Wiggle just posted this on their FB page. Steel framed roadie with disks. Looks interesting...

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/charge-filter-a ... filterApex

[Bentnose]

[nonchalant]

Last night I laced my rear hub to its rim.

Using spokes.

[/nonchalant]

Awesome! I now have something that looks very much like a wheel. The spokes are at the stage where they are just starting to take tension...and the wheel - for that is what it now is - has some lateral run out. Tomorrow I'll put it in a frame with some cable ties as reference points and true it up and tension it properly.

Lacing a wheel proved to be relatively straightforward. I'm guessing the tricksy bit will be to make it solid and true.

Yee haaaaaa!!!!!!

After you've got it mostly tensioned you could always get the LBS to finish it off if your having trouble, you've done most of the work so the cost shouldn't be too much.

[Mugglechops]

Wiggle just posted this on their FB page. Steel framed roadie with disks. Looks interesting...

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/charge-filter-a ... filterApex

This one looks good too

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/charge-filter-hi-2012/

[MichaelB]

Wiggle just posted this on their FB page. Steel framed roadie with disks. Looks interesting...

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/charge-filter-a ... filterApex

This one looks good too

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/charge-filter-hi-2012/

They are options, but not really appealing IMHO - the big letdown is the brake spec.

But then again, I'm fussy and would be prepared to pay more fpor slightly better kit.

Speccing BB5's is a cheap and nasty option in my books.

[Mugglechops]

I did around 7000kms on my BB5s before changing to BB7s.

I don't think they are terrible.

[Bentnose]

You'll soon have the option of the Shimano CX70 brakes, they should be good, I'm looking at this http://www.cube.eu/en/road/off-road/cross-race-disc/ for the next bike most likely, the brakes look nice, hopefully they work as well as they look.

[Reman]

Funds approved and all it cost "me" was an iPad for the rewoman for xmas

Went mad and ordered all the rest of the parts, final tally came to $2,350 including all shipping and currency fees. Now just need to wait until everything turns up

I'm deciding on wether I should just take piccies or do videos of the installation, any thoughts?

Final component list and prices
Frame $982.64

Frame Kinesis CrossLight Pro6 $599.70 Shiny
Forks From frame
Headset From frame
Stem 3T Arx Team $69.03 Evans
Handlebars 3T Rotundo Team $214.98 PBK
Seat Post 27.2 3T Dorico Team Setback $98.93 Wiggle

Group set $851.11

Brifters Campy Chorus $238.72 Shiny
Front Dérailleur 31.8 Campy Athena Black 31.8 band $43.97 Shiny
Crank Set Campy Athena Black 175mm 50-34t $164.08 Shiny
Bottom Bracket 68 Eng Campy Power Torque $22.47 Evans
Rear Dérailleur Campy Athena Black $101.64 Shiny
Cassette Campy Chorus 12-27 $105.54 Shiny
Chain KMC X11L $41.78 Shiny
Brakes Avid BB7 160mm $132.91 Cycling express

Wheels $433.31

Front Rim DT Swiss 415 32H $65.85 Bike24
Rear Rim DT Swiss 415 32H $65.85 Bike24
Front Hub Bike Hub Store MT162 $47.51 Bike Hub Store
Rear Hub Bike Hub Store MT252 + Campy Freehub $85.56 Bike Hub Store
Skewers QR $14.95 Bike Hub Store
Spokes DT Swiss Competition 2.0-1.8 $59.21 Bike24
Tyres Continental GP4000s $81.10 Evans
Tubes Michelin A1 AirStop $10.62 CRC
Rim Tape Schwalbe Rim Tape $2.66 CRC

Extras $87.02

Saddle Existing
Bar Tape Fizik Dual Black Red $16.67 Bike24
Cables Campy Brake and Gear Set $34.53 Shiny
Pedals Shimano M520 $27.43 Shiny
Headset spacers Syntace 2 packs $8.39 Bike24
Seat Post Clamp From frame

[barefoot]

That's good buying, but purple ......

Definitely need pics !!!

Finally got around to lacing one up.

Not tensioned yet, but this bodes well for a nice light wheelset:


Happy with that for a 32-spoke, brass-nipple, equal-spoke-length 700c disc rear wheel . Should be bombproof.

What's the likelihood of me not getting the frame built until March 2015 as promised?

tim

[Reman]

Mmm, purple doesn't look too bad. What colour is the frame?

[barefoot]

Mmm, purple doesn't look too bad. What colour is the frame?

Will be brushed raw titanium

tim

[Reman]

Mmm, purple doesn't look too bad. What colour is the frame?

Will be brushed raw titanium

tim

With some other purple highlights, like bar tape, I reckon that will look the goods!

[barefoot]

Mmm, purple doesn't look too bad. What colour is the frame?

Will be brushed raw titanium

With some other purple highlights, like bar tape, I reckon that will look the goods!

I must admit, when I looked at the wheel, I briefly considered breaking my strict policy of bar tape always being black...

Regardless, there's unlikely to be any colours on this bike other than bare metal, black and purple.

tim

[the-waves]

I have a Planet X Kaffenback - soooo heavy.

Its only good for very short trips.

[Reman]

I have a Planet X Kaffenback - soooo heavy.

Its only good for very short trips.

Interesting you say that, frame weight is a touch over 2kg which is the same as a steel tourer frame. In full trim a built up bike with the same components but different frames would probably be something like - carbon = 9kg, alloy = 9.5kg, this = 10kg.

How much does your bike weigh? And what components do you have on it? (Wheels, grouppo, contact points, etc)

[barefoot]

So... moving right along with my proposed disc road build that I'm not doing yet... the fork.

Given that I'm getting a Chitanium custom frame built (to fit my weird body proportions), I'm not locked in to using any particular components... I can adjust the frame to suit whatever I want to build it out of.

Disc road forks are not yet a common thing, but rigid disc MTB forks are. Road forks are typically ~370mm axle-to-crown, CX is about 395mm, MTB forks longer (to fit frames that are designed for suspension).

evilBay is filled with these forks, for $180-200:


I've seen identical shaped forks with Trigon, Token, Picasso, Corratec and Ritchey logos on them. The disc-only version comes in at 460g, and gets surprisingly good reviews for serious MTB use. The only real detraction seems to be for its length; at 415mm they're shorter than a typical MTB fork (but longer than a road or CX fork). For a road/CX bike, there's ample clearance for whatever tyre I'm likely to put on it (short of a full-on 29er knobbie). They also have a more-than-average 48mm rake, which suits me well (I plan on using a fairly slack head angle, so more fork rake is better to keep the trail under control).

I'm finding a hard time thinking of a reason not to grab one of these forks, then design my frame to suit (ie take the "extra" length out of the head tube).

tim

[barefoot]

(Just quietly, that would also make my "frame + $1k" build budget look fairly safe. $200 forks, $200 wheels... add a generic $800-ish 105-ish-equipped Cell or Reid bike, and I only need to recover $200 and enough for a pair of BB7s by re-selling the brand-new-never-used frameset and wheelset after I pinch the drivetrain and controls).

[Reman]

Shiny bikes (where I got my frame from) has a full 105 group set for less that $550, I think they even do pretty good prices on individual bits too if you want to buy it sans brakes.

http://www.shinybikes.com/shimano-groupsets/

As for the forks, could you get Ti ones from the builder to match?

[barefoot]

Shiny bikes (where I got my frame from) has a full 105 group set for less that $550, I think they even do pretty good prices on individual bits too if you want to buy it sans brakes.

http://www.shinybikes.com/shimano-groupsets/

Oooh, good to know. That's some of the cheaper bits I've seen too.

As for the forks, could you get Ti ones from the builder to match?

Could, but I've not read many positive write-ups of Ti forks. It seems you have a choice between noodly flex or porky weight. Most people just put an off-the-shelf carbon fork on a Ti frame. And as much as I trust the workmanship of the Chitanium frame welders, a fork is the last place to be experimenting with tubing specs. Especially my fork.

tim

[Reman]

Almost all my bits have arrived, enough to start building.

So far I have frame, forks, headset, stem, handlebars, seat post, brakes, BB cups and hubs. So pretty much only the full grouppo (minus brakes) and rims + spokes to come.

Going to try and start putting together this weekend

[jasonc]

Almost all my bits have arrived, enough to start building.

So far I have frame, forks, headset, stem, handlebars, seat post, brakes, BB cups and hubs. So pretty much only the full grouppo (minus brakes) and rims + spokes to come.

Going to try and start putting together this weekend

saddle?

[Reman]

Almost all my bits have arrived, enough to start building.

So far I have frame, forks, headset, stem, handlebars, seat post, brakes, BB cups and hubs. So pretty much only the full grouppo (minus brakes) and rims + spokes to come.

Going to try and start putting together this weekend

saddle?

My Brooks B17
(currently in service on my Cell flat bar commuter, has done about 1500km and is super comfy)