Disc road frame for commuting

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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Releng » Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:14 am

I came across this on a well known auction site:
If only I had not just finished sorting the LeMond Cyclocross for commuting duties. This would have been so much easier.
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I have no affiliation with the seller. Just thought people looking at this thread might find it interesting:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Salsa-Vaya-57cm-57-top-tube-/280981817708?pt=AU_Sport_Cycling_Bikes&hash=item416bd2496c
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Reman » Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:59 am

Yep, the Salsa frame was on my original short list with the Surly Disc Trucker. The geometry is about the same but the sizes don't go so large as the Surly, 57cm was the largest size if memory serves.

In the end though the Salsa frame would have been about $800 delivered as opposed to $500 for the Surly.
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Reman » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:26 pm

Have purchased 3T Arx Team stem (AT) 100mm and Campy PowerTorque cups from Evans, and just got a pair of Avid BB7 Road 160mms from Cycling Express.

Still to get most of group set, wheel build (except hubs), handlebars and seat post. About $1300 worth :(

Hoping to have it all together for an Xmas build.
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby JustJames » Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:07 am

[nonchalant]

Last night I laced my rear hub to its rim.

Using spokes.

[/nonchalant]

Awesome! I now have something that looks very much like a wheel. The spokes are at the stage where they are just starting to take tension...and the wheel - for that is what it now is - has some lateral run out. Tomorrow I'll put it in a frame with some cable ties as reference points and true it up and tension it properly.

Lacing a wheel proved to be relatively straightforward. I'm guessing the tricksy bit will be to make it solid and true.

Yee haaaaaa!!!!!!
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Ozkaban » Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:27 am

Wiggle just posted this on their FB page. Steel framed roadie with disks. Looks interesting...

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/charge-filter-a ... filterApex
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Bentnose » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:40 pm

JustJames wrote:[nonchalant]

Last night I laced my rear hub to its rim.

Using spokes.

[/nonchalant]

Awesome! I now have something that looks very much like a wheel. The spokes are at the stage where they are just starting to take tension...and the wheel - for that is what it now is - has some lateral run out. Tomorrow I'll put it in a frame with some cable ties as reference points and true it up and tension it properly.

Lacing a wheel proved to be relatively straightforward. I'm guessing the tricksy bit will be to make it solid and true.

Yee haaaaaa!!!!!!


After you've got it mostly tensioned you could always get the LBS to finish it off if your having trouble, you've done most of the work so the cost shouldn't be too much.
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Mugglechops » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:07 pm

Ozkaban wrote:Wiggle just posted this on their FB page. Steel framed roadie with disks. Looks interesting...

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/charge-filter-a ... filterApex


This one looks good too

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/charge-filter-hi-2012/
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby MichaelB » Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:26 am

Mugglechops wrote:
Ozkaban wrote:Wiggle just posted this on their FB page. Steel framed roadie with disks. Looks interesting...

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/charge-filter-a ... filterApex


This one looks good too

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/charge-filter-hi-2012/


They are options, but not really appealing IMHO - the big letdown is the brake spec.

But then again, I'm fussy and would be prepared to pay more fpor slightly better kit.

Speccing BB5's is a cheap and nasty option in my books.
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Mugglechops » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:48 am

I did around 7000kms on my BB5s before changing to BB7s.

I don't think they are terrible.
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Bentnose » Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:51 pm

You'll soon have the option of the Shimano CX70 brakes, they should be good, I'm looking at this http://www.cube.eu/en/road/off-road/cross-race-disc/ for the next bike most likely, the brakes look nice, hopefully they work as well as they look.
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Reman » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:11 am

Funds approved and all it cost "me" was an iPad for the rewoman for xmas :mrgreen:

Went mad and ordered all the rest of the parts, final tally came to $2,350 including all shipping and currency fees. Now just need to wait until everything turns up :x

I'm deciding on wether I should just take piccies or do videos of the installation, any thoughts?

Final component list and prices
Frame $982.64
    Frame Kinesis CrossLight Pro6 $599.70 Shiny
    Forks From frame
    Headset From frame
    Stem 3T Arx Team $69.03 Evans
    Handlebars 3T Rotundo Team $214.98 PBK
    Seat Post 27.2 3T Dorico Team Setback $98.93 Wiggle

Group set $851.11
    Brifters Campy Chorus $238.72 Shiny
    Front Dérailleur 31.8 Campy Athena Black 31.8 band $43.97 Shiny
    Crank Set Campy Athena Black 175mm 50-34t $164.08 Shiny
    Bottom Bracket 68 Eng Campy Power Torque $22.47 Evans
    Rear Dérailleur Campy Athena Black $101.64 Shiny
    Cassette Campy Chorus 12-27 $105.54 Shiny
    Chain KMC X11L $41.78 Shiny
    Brakes Avid BB7 160mm $132.91 Cycling express
Wheels $433.31
    Front Rim DT Swiss 415 32H $65.85 Bike24
    Rear Rim DT Swiss 415 32H $65.85 Bike24
    Front Hub Bike Hub Store MT162 $47.51 Bike Hub Store
    Rear Hub Bike Hub Store MT252 + Campy Freehub $85.56 Bike Hub Store
    Skewers QR $14.95 Bike Hub Store
    Spokes DT Swiss Competition 2.0-1.8 $59.21 Bike24
    Tyres Continental GP4000s $81.10 Evans
    Tubes Michelin A1 AirStop $10.62 CRC
    Rim Tape Schwalbe Rim Tape $2.66 CRC

Extras $87.02
    Saddle Existing
    Bar Tape Fizik Dual Black Red $16.67 Bike24
    Cables Campy Brake and Gear Set $34.53 Shiny
    Pedals Shimano M520 $27.43 Shiny
    Headset spacers Syntace 2 packs $8.39 Bike24
    Seat Post Clamp From frame
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby barefoot » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:33 pm

MichaelB wrote:That's good buying, but purple ...... :shock:

Definitely need pics !!!


Finally got around to lacing one up.

Not tensioned yet, but this bodes well for a nice light wheelset:
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Happy with that for a 32-spoke, brass-nipple, equal-spoke-length 700c disc rear wheel :-) . Should be bombproof.

What's the likelihood of me not getting the frame built until March 2015 as promised? :oops:

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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Reman » Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:49 pm

Mmm, purple doesn't look too bad. What colour is the frame?
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby barefoot » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:04 pm

Reman wrote:Mmm, purple doesn't look too bad. What colour is the frame?


Will be brushed raw titanium ;-)

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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Reman » Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:53 pm

barefoot wrote:
Reman wrote:Mmm, purple doesn't look too bad. What colour is the frame?


Will be brushed raw titanium ;-)

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With some other purple highlights, like bar tape, I reckon that will look the goods!
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby barefoot » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:00 pm

Reman wrote:
barefoot wrote:
Reman wrote:Mmm, purple doesn't look too bad. What colour is the frame?


Will be brushed raw titanium ;-)


With some other purple highlights, like bar tape, I reckon that will look the goods!


I must admit, when I looked at the wheel, I briefly considered breaking my strict policy of bar tape always being black...

Regardless, there's unlikely to be any colours on this bike other than bare metal, black and purple.

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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby the-waves » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:33 am

I have a Planet X Kaffenback - soooo heavy.

Its only good for very short trips.
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Reman » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:58 am

the-waves wrote:I have a Planet X Kaffenback - soooo heavy.

Its only good for very short trips.


Interesting you say that, frame weight is a touch over 2kg which is the same as a steel tourer frame. In full trim a built up bike with the same components but different frames would probably be something like - carbon = 9kg, alloy = 9.5kg, this = 10kg.

How much does your bike weigh? And what components do you have on it? (Wheels, grouppo, contact points, etc)
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby barefoot » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:31 am

So... moving right along with my proposed disc road build that I'm not doing yet... the fork.

Given that I'm getting a Chitanium custom frame built (to fit my weird body proportions), I'm not locked in to using any particular components... I can adjust the frame to suit whatever I want to build it out of.

Disc road forks are not yet a common thing, but rigid disc MTB forks are. Road forks are typically ~370mm axle-to-crown, CX is about 395mm, MTB forks longer (to fit frames that are designed for suspension).

evilBay is filled with these forks, for $180-200:
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I've seen identical shaped forks with Trigon, Token, Picasso, Corratec and Ritchey logos on them. The disc-only version comes in at 460g, and gets surprisingly good reviews for serious MTB use. The only real detraction seems to be for its length; at 415mm they're shorter than a typical MTB fork (but longer than a road or CX fork). For a road/CX bike, there's ample clearance for whatever tyre I'm likely to put on it (short of a full-on 29er knobbie). They also have a more-than-average 48mm rake, which suits me well (I plan on using a fairly slack head angle, so more fork rake is better to keep the trail under control).

I'm finding a hard time thinking of a reason not to grab one of these forks, then design my frame to suit (ie take the "extra" length out of the head tube).

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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby barefoot » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:53 am

(Just quietly, that would also make my "frame + $1k" build budget look fairly safe. $200 forks, $200 wheels... add a generic $800-ish 105-ish-equipped Cell or Reid bike, and I only need to recover $200 and enough for a pair of BB7s by re-selling the brand-new-never-used frameset and wheelset after I pinch the drivetrain and controls).
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Reman » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:01 pm

Shiny bikes (where I got my frame from) has a full 105 group set for less that $550, I think they even do pretty good prices on individual bits too if you want to buy it sans brakes.

http://www.shinybikes.com/shimano-groupsets/

As for the forks, could you get Ti ones from the builder to match?
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby barefoot » Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:00 pm

Reman wrote:Shiny bikes (where I got my frame from) has a full 105 group set for less that $550, I think they even do pretty good prices on individual bits too if you want to buy it sans brakes.

http://www.shinybikes.com/shimano-groupsets/


Oooh, good to know. That's some of the cheaper bits I've seen too.

As for the forks, could you get Ti ones from the builder to match?


Could, but I've not read many positive write-ups of Ti forks. It seems you have a choice between noodly flex or porky weight. Most people just put an off-the-shelf carbon fork on a Ti frame. And as much as I trust the workmanship of the Chitanium frame welders, a fork is the last place to be experimenting with tubing specs. Especially my fork.

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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Reman » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:12 pm

Almost all my bits have arrived, enough to start building.

So far I have frame, forks, headset, stem, handlebars, seat post, brakes, BB cups and hubs. So pretty much only the full grouppo (minus brakes) and rims + spokes to come.

Going to try and start putting together this weekend :D
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby jasonc » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:45 pm

Reman wrote:Almost all my bits have arrived, enough to start building.

So far I have frame, forks, headset, stem, handlebars, seat post, brakes, BB cups and hubs. So pretty much only the full grouppo (minus brakes) and rims + spokes to come.

Going to try and start putting together this weekend :D


saddle?
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Re: Disc road frame for commuting

Postby Reman » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:16 pm

jasonc wrote:
Reman wrote:Almost all my bits have arrived, enough to start building.

So far I have frame, forks, headset, stem, handlebars, seat post, brakes, BB cups and hubs. So pretty much only the full grouppo (minus brakes) and rims + spokes to come.

Going to try and start putting together this weekend :D


saddle?


My Brooks B17 :mrgreen:
(currently in service on my Cell flat bar commuter, has done about 1500km and is super comfy)
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