Livestrong gear - now less likely to wear?
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Livestrong gear - now less likely to wear?
Postby UpDownUp » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:22 am
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Postby Kenzo » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:48 am
However - I'll just mow the lawn less often.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:48 pm
You do realise they spend no money on cancer research? None, zip, nada. And they have one of the worst administration cost ratios of all "charities"?marty_one wrote:If I did have Livestrong gear I would still wear it. Only because of the work they do for cancer and cancer research, it's not just Armstrong's money involved with this now.
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Postby zero » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:50 pm
Livestrong hasn't in anyway supported cancer research for years. Majority of funds donated to it have historically been used to promote it, run it or collect donations for it. The only practical thing it does is remind people that a superfit guy once survived cancer and offer some support to some cancer patients.marty_one wrote:If I did have Livestrong gear I would still wear it. Only because of the work they do for cancer and cancer research, it's not just Armstrong's money involved with this now.
Curing cancer in general is not aligned with its core objectives.
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Postby norbs » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:54 pm
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:You do realise they spend no money on cancer research? None, zip, nada. And they have one of the worst administration cost ratios of all "charities"?marty_one wrote:If I did have Livestrong gear I would still wear it. Only because of the work they do for cancer and cancer research, it's not just Armstrong's money involved with this now.
Alex, got any references for those facts. I am not doubting you, just curios to see the numbers in black and white.
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Postby Cardy George » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:56 pm
Have a read:marty_one wrote:If I did have Livestrong gear I would still wear it. Only because of the work they do for cancer and cancer research, it's not just Armstrong's money involved with this now.
Outside Online - It's Not About The Lab Rats
Wow, beaten to the punch so quickly.......
Of the money they do raise, around the world the vast majority goes to USA patients
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:59 pm
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Postby roller » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:01 pm
curing cancer would put it out of business.zero wrote:Curing cancer in general is not aligned with its core objectives.
that's the last thing lance wants, no more CA$$$H for him!
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Postby Jono L. » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:17 pm
http://www.news.com.au/national/whilste ... 6496770763" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Figures for the most recent financial accounts for Armstrong’s foundation show it had an income of $43million ($41m AUD) in the year ending December 31, 2011, of which almost $15.6m were donations. Of the $34.1m spent in the same period, only $4.78m was spent on grants and awards for cancer sufferers and organisations helping them.
The notion that Armstrong’s charity work somehow excuses him is challenged unequivocally by Andreu. "He’s like Bernie Madoff, who gave millions to leukaemia charities and his family was hit heavily by cancer," she said. "It’s the classic do-good then you can hide behind it when you’re doing the bad. It was the perfect obstruction.
‘They’ve given barely nothing to cancer research, it’s about cancer awareness. There are many wonderful foundations which give money to cancer research. Give your money to them, not to Livestrong."
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:19 pm
Their annual financial report should do, although they claim to support "scientific" research, the only research they support pertains to "cancer awareness". i.e. - are you aware of cancer? Are you aware that Lance had cancer and came back to race (I'm serious - they have awareness raising on this with schools kids) ? Nothing whatsoever to do with medical research.norbs wrote:Alex Simmons/RST wrote:You do realise they spend no money on cancer research? None, zip, nada. And they have one of the worst administration cost ratios of all "charities"?marty_one wrote:If I did have Livestrong gear I would still wear it. Only because of the work they do for cancer and cancer research, it's not just Armstrong's money involved with this now.
Alex, got any references for those facts. I am not doubting you, just curios to see the numbers in black and white.
Now I am not saying that awareness and support programs for those afflicted with or supporting those with cancer is a bad thing. But this is first and foremost a PR machine.
http://www.livestrong.org/pdfs/4-0/2010 ... -Statement" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In years past, they have also provided a couple of grants to medical / university institutions worth a couple of $mill. In an amazing coincidence, they went to the doctors who would not testify against LA.
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Postby Jono L. » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:20 pm
If Lance Armstrong went to jail and Livestrong went away, that would be a huge setback in our war against cancer, right? Not exactly, because the famous nonprofit donates almost nothing to scientific research. BILL GIFFORD looks at where the money goes and finds a mix of fine ideas, millions of dollars aimed at “awareness,” and a few very blurry lines
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Postby master6 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:24 pm
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Postby Cardy George » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:48 pm
Agreed, but now when I think about wearing my Commemorative Yellow Jersey with his name clearly written on it, I have to decide of I want field all the questions from those who know and those who think they know.master6 wrote:My 06 Trek in Discovery Channel blue livery is still a nice bike; nothing has changed. I think that drugged people have probably ridden most brands of bike.
It might have to become my wet weather jersey.......
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Postby marty_one » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:57 pm
Wow, had no idea it was such a con!! With some of the limited stuff that I had heard from interviews and as such I honestly thought that his charity was helping to provide funds for research. I was contemplating getting some of the merchandise which I thought also helped to raise money for support/research, wont be doing that now.Cardy George wrote: Have a read:
Outside Online - It's Not About The Lab Rats
Wow, beaten to the punch so quickly.......
Of the money they do raise, around the world the vast majority goes to USA patients
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Postby sogood » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:13 pm
http://www.livestrong.org/Who-We-Are/Ou ... nformation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby find_bruce » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:23 pm
master6 wrote:My 06 Trek in Discovery Channel blue livery is still a nice bike; nothing has changed. I think that drugged people have probably ridden most brands of bike.
Nah, you just need to work on your sense of irony.Cardy George wrote:Agreed, but now when I think about wearing my Commemorative Yellow Jersey with his name clearly written on it, I have to decide of I want field all the questions from those who know and those who think they know.
It might have to become my wet weather jersey.......
Do you remember the TISM hit from the 90's "(He'll Never Be An) Ol' Man River" ? Anytime someone asks you a question just start singing
I'm on the drug, I'm on the drug,
I'm on the drug that powered Lance Armstrong.
I saw his pedals thrashing round
I saw what was going down
I saw him taking EPOs
I said "I'll have some of those"
Levi had, Levi had
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Postby boss » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:23 pm
For me, it's not so much about the drugs... it's the fact he seems kinda like a jerk. If this were not a family friendly forum, I'd use much stronger language to describe his character!Cardy George wrote:Agreed, but now when I think about wearing my Commemorative Yellow Jersey with his name clearly written on it, I have to decide of I want field all the questions from those who know and those who think they know.master6 wrote:My 06 Trek in Discovery Channel blue livery is still a nice bike; nothing has changed. I think that drugged people have probably ridden most brands of bike.
It might have to become my wet weather jersey.......
I only recently got into road cycling, but am very into other facets of bike riding. I don't own any Livestrong stuff, and certainly wouldn't purchase any. I'd rather give my hard earned to another brand.
Two weeks ago, prior to reading the USADA's Reasoned Decision and Tyler Hamilton's book, I would have probably considered wearing Livestrong stuff!
One thing that I don't really get - is why all Lance's sponsors are standing by him. Surely they can see the writing on the wall.
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Postby hannos » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:36 pm
But are these sponsors now actively using him or his brand for anything?jimboss wrote: One thing that I don't really get - is why all Lance's sponsors are standing by him. Surely they can see the writing on the wall.
Will they renew the contracts when they expire?
And considering Lance's penchant for law suits, it might just be safer and simpler to let the contracts lapse.
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Postby biftek » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:57 pm
not just livestrong , but a host of other agencies , cancer council for example which spent $185k on an application for .cancerresearch and an annual registration fee of 25kroller wrote:curing cancer would put it out of business.zero wrote:Curing cancer in general is not aligned with its core objectives.
that's the last thing lance wants, no more CA$$$H for him!
For the many hundred of millions of dollars that the cancer council has received, I'm not even sure what their mandate is anymore. I know once upon a time they were interested in curing cancer, but I think they realised that would put them out of a job.
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