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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby 15wilsonwu » Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:42 pm

usernameforme wrote:good luck Wilson, enjoy yourself. Let me know how you go


Thanks, I will definitly keep you updated.
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby 15wilsonwu » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:24 pm

Here's my FINAL FINAL FINAL setup. I've changed the nipples to 14mm as I found out the threads are the same length as the 12mm's.
Weight - 1,240.4
Price - 374.39 (Including shipping)

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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby usernameforme » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:53 am

they have the same thread length, but they are longer, meaning they'll reach higher on the spoke than 12mm nipples (if that makes sense). they are meant to be used when the rim's spoke bead is deeper or when they have a sharp profile so that 12mm nipples don't reach fully through. Mavic CXP-33 and Velocity DeepV have a very sharp profile PLUS the Velocity DeepV has a joint sleeve that increases nipple depth. Result is that if you are not careful - the bottom of your spoke wrench will scratch the anodized finish when using 12mm nipples.

Basically, the nipple sits to deep in the rim with the wrench flats ending up to close to the rim surface.
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby southeastD » Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:28 pm

How about these sets. Full carbon, 1250g for less than $400.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/carbon-wheel ... 243wt_1163

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or these aluminium - 1280g for $380 delivered.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/22mm-clinche ... 676wt_1163
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby usernameforme » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:47 pm

the alloy clincher set is practically the same build as what Wilson has, and has a claimed weight that is no where near accurate. The carbon wheels' weight will probably be off just as much and then you'll have to deal with carbon braking surfaces (need another set of brake pads), tubular rims (need to glue tyres on) and potential rim overheating if you don't know what you are doing with them. I'd also be unsure of the build quality of those wheels and the spokes they use... But maybe I'm being too critical... there seems to be plenty of happy people with these cheap and cheerful carbon wheels so they must be okay... The alloy clinchers however will be well overweight because the hubs and spokes aren't very light. The rim is the same as what Wilson wants to use
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby 15wilsonwu » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:44 pm

usernameforme wrote:they have the same thread length, but they are longer, meaning they'll reach higher on the spoke than 12mm nipples (if that makes sense). they are meant to be used when the rim's spoke bead is deeper or when they have a sharp profile so that 12mm nipples don't reach fully through. Mavic CXP-33 and Velocity DeepV have a very sharp profile PLUS the Velocity DeepV has a joint sleeve that increases nipple depth. Result is that if you are not careful - the bottom of your spoke wrench will scratch the anodized finish when using 12mm nipples.

Basically, the nipple sits to deep in the rim with the wrench flats ending up to close to the rim surface.


Ummm..... So you mean the nipple will be sticking up INSIDE the rim?
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby usernameforme » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:09 am

no, they will reach up higher on the spoke
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby 15wilsonwu » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:38 am

But it's still gonna work, right?
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby usernameforme » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:44 am

the spokes might turn out to be too long
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby 15wilsonwu » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:24 pm

Oh, ok. Right now ive changed to some alloy 12mm nipples for less weight, ill be uploading my new setup tonight. Plus, im using VeloPlugs instead of normal rim tape
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby 15wilsonwu » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:46 pm

Here's my final specs.

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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby JustJames » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:16 am

I'd use brass nipples, Wilson.

They're less likely to strip threads during the build and they won't electrolytic weld onto the spokes over time.
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby 15wilsonwu » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:23 am

JustJames wrote:I'd use brass nipples, Wilson.

They're less likely to strip threads during the build and they won't electrolytic weld onto the spokes over time.


The main reason I choose alloy nipple is due to the minimal weight. Brass nipples weighs nearly twice as more.
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby usernameforme » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:44 am

I'd use red veloplugs for kinlin rims, but the Kinlin rims vary in spoke hole sizes per batch so it may take red or yellow. My first choice would be cloth rim tape. I would also recommend brass nipples for durability, they are only 20g heavier (thats 20 paperclips)
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby 15wilsonwu » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:25 pm

usernameforme wrote:I'd use red veloplugs for kinlin rims, but the Kinlin rims vary in spoke hole sizes per batch so it may take red or yellow. My first choice would be cloth rim tape. I would also recommend brass nipples for durability, they are only 20g heavier (thats 20 paperclips)



I sent a email to BHS regarding the veloplugs and they assured me that the yellow ones would work.

As far as the alloy nipples, I dont really ride in wet weather, so i guess it's fine?
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby usernameforme » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:57 pm

Should be, but brass nipples are harder to round off, so with alloy nipples you could round them off if you don't know what you are doing and if you need to re-true a wheel its less of a pain with brass nipples
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby 15wilsonwu » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:45 pm

usernameforme wrote:Should be, but brass nipples are harder to round off, so with alloy nipples you could round them off if you don't know what you are doing and if you need to re-true a wheel its less of a pain with brass nipples


Meh, I'll just take a risk.
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby Dan » Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:15 am

Another mobile double post. Thanks tapatalk.
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby Dan » Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:17 am

15wilsonwu wrote:
usernameforme wrote:Should be, but brass nipples are harder to round off, so with alloy nipples you could round them off if you don't know what you are doing and if you need to re-true a wheel its less of a pain with brass nipples


Meh, I'll just take a risk.


Wilson - use the brass nipples. Your strategy of asking for (and receiving very good) advice, then blatantly ignoring it, has consequences which far outweigh the 30 something gram weight saving you're after.

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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby clack3rz » Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:52 am

15wilsonwu wrote:
usernameforme wrote:Should be, but brass nipples are harder to round off, so with alloy nipples you could round them off if you don't know what you are doing and if you need to re-true a wheel its less of a pain with brass nipples


Meh, I'll just take a risk.


+1 on the brass nipples. I got alloys with my first build - rookie mistake. Some of them rounded off, and when I was truing the wheel, it became a nightmare to true - almost impossible with some of the rounded nipples. I ended up having to start over again with brass ones.
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby el brado » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:36 am

+2 on the brass nipples. Also get some sort of spoke prep.
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby Dan » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:54 am

Off topic - what are you building brad? 10spd 105 - cx perhaps?
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby JustJames » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:01 am

15wilsonwu wrote:
As far as the alloy nipples, I dont really ride in wet weather, so i guess it's fine?


Sure...as long as you always ride in a climate of 0% humidity.

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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby usernameforme » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:15 am

+1 for spoke prep, I use linseed oil, but not too many people are a fan on linseed oil. I have to use it on my cricket bat so I have gotten used to it
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Re: WTB - MEL - Road Wheels (-1400g)

Postby Dan » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:26 am

I'd also add that you could be riding the braccianos by now, had you bought them.
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