Livestrong gear - now less likely to wear?

[sogood]

But Livestrong is first and foremost a PR machine. His linking of "cancer awareness" and the fraud of his performance is, IMO, despicable.

There are a lot more despicable behaviours on this planet, and this Livestrong can be seen as an attempt to payback the sins. Was it appropriate or successful? I guess this is where the argument lies at this point.

[sogood]

That Livestrong is a PR machine is not in doubt. It's a very, very clever piece of social engineering. I dread to think what LA would do if he went in to politics.

LA doesn't count compared to what US political machines have produced through the decades. A fellow Texan comes to mind.

[AndyTheMan]

I'm thinking about asking oakley to send me some new bits for my jawbones. Yep in livestrong colours and want them gone

Funny, but only a fortnight ago (like a couple of days before the USADA 1000 page manifesto was posted online) I bought a pair of the Livestrong Oakley Jawbones...

The reason.... they were on mega-discount.

I think they were originally priced somewhere around $350. Got them for about $120 (wonder why.....??)

I needed a new pair of sunnies for running/cycling. came in a nice case, couple of pairs of lenses.

They still keep the sun out of my eyes and 99.9% of people wouldn't have a clue that they are the Armstrong ones

You could concider them Safe Cycling Australia colors. We've been pushing Oakley to pass some similar coloured sets our way for the supporters. It only ever seems like I'm on drugs.
Interesting to note that the day the USADA report was released publicly, Retirestrong donations reportedly increased by $60,000USD. Some will never get it. His biggest supporters are the least interested in wading through the evidence. Dunce hats.

Honestly, the term 'retirestrong' had me wetting myself....

[ausrandoman]

A large range of alternatives is available.

[norbs]

My wrist band for cyclists. Only $2.40 and includes free brocollini.

[Oxford]

Okay, I've survived cancer scares a number of times, one serious enough that if I had not caught it in time would have resulted in some very serious surgery to remove it then reconstruct the damage done by the surgery. As it was the surgery was still quite invasive and has left me a little disfigured, though most do not notice it until I tell them.

There are many theories on cancer, I have my own thoughts on the issue. One thing I do believe is that it is a natural process, should we try to "cure" it? No idea. Is it curable? Seemingly some types are. Do we need to raise awareness of it? I don't think we do, if you're not aware of cancer in this day and age, you must live under a rock. Awareness money would be better channeled to research, if you believe in that.

I'm cynical enough to believe that LA may have even started the whole thing to boost his pubic image for some future gain, he probably didn't expect this PED left field curve ball though.

[Alex Simmons/RST]

But Livestrong is first and foremost a PR machine. His linking of "cancer awareness" and the fraud of his performance is, IMO, despicable.

There are a lot more despicable behaviours on this planet, and this Livestrong can be seen as an attempt to payback the sins. Was it appropriate or successful? I guess this is where the argument lies at this point.

Hence the IMO.

[roller]

I'm cynical enough to believe that LA may have even started the whole thing to boost his pubic image for some future gain

funny you should say that, in 1997 his agent is quoted as saying:

"Lance isn't just a cyclist anymore - because of the cancer, the Lance Armstrong brand has a much broader appeal," Stapleton said. "Our challenge is to leverage that now. He's on the verge of being a crossover-type spokesman. He could be just like an athlete who does a Pepsi or Gatorade commercial. If his comeback has success, we hope to take him to a Kodak or Sony and hope they will turn him into a corporate pitchman.

"We're really just beginning. In January and February people will realize that Lance is back on the bike. And once they realize it, that's when the marketing will pay off."

source: http://www.texnews.com/texas97/lance102797.html

[toolonglegs]

Why is Marco Pantani wearing this dossard ?

[greyhoundtom]

Just an absolutely brilliant duel.............for some you may need to ignore the splash screen at the end of the footage.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q38Gyjv4EE&feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

[DaveOZ]

Nike has dumped Drugstrong. It's all over.

[Jean]

Just an absolutely brilliant duel.............for some you may need to ignore the splash screen at the end of the footage.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q38Gyjv4EE&feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

It was brilliant then, but it just seems grotesque now.

[hazmat5765]

I have a Livestrong jersey and I will continue to wear it, because at some time it meant something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HONMBr8I ... re=related

[hazmat5765]

There are a lot more despicable behaviours on this planet.

Spot on!

[Chuck]

His linking of "cancer awareness" and the fraud of his performance is, IMO, despicable.

+1

Took peds pre cancer, then after benefitting from all of the great work from Doctors and researchers he risked his health and took peds post cancer, being a survivor wasn't enough for him. A slap in the face of all those fighting this insidious disease, whether they be Doctors, researchers or patients. And not discounting that he coerced others to risk their health by doing the same.

[Oxford]

Wonder if the PEDs contributed to his health issues to start with?

[Chuck]

Just an absolutely brilliant duel.............for some you may need to ignore the splash screen at the end of the footage.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q38Gyjv4EE&feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

Not sure the point you are trying to make by posting this up Tom ? Performances like this are exactly why the "haters" (as Lance called anyone who wouldn't blindly bow down to his greatness) started asking questions. There wasn't/isn't a clean athlete in the world who could offer Pantani that "gift".

Are you still filthy that your "hero" has been caught ?

[jacks1071]

Nike has dumped Drugstrong. It's all over.

Seems like they knew he was on the gear a very long time ago and no doubt have profited hugely from his sins.

I wonder how long the law suits will take when all the sponsors start trying to get their money back from Lance for breach of contract?

Lucky he can ride a bike, that maybe all he's left with when the solicitors are done.

[greyhoundtom]

Just an absolutely brilliant duel.............for some you may need to ignore the splash screen at the end of the footage.

Not sure the point you are trying to make by posting this up Tom ? Performances like this are exactly why the "haters" (as Lance called anyone who wouldn't blindly bow down to his greatness) started asking questions. There wasn't/isn't a clean athlete in the world who could offer Pantani that "gift".

Are you still filthy that your "hero" has been caught ?

Sorry Chuck, I'm not sure what you are getting at

I posted that clip due to Marco Pantani winning that hill climb, beating Lance Armstrong, and looked at it more as PED's verses PED's

For further info on Marco Pantani see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Pantani

As far as LA being my hero is concerned............I have no hero's, LA was a professional cyclist who did whatever he believed he needed to do to win.
Unfortunately he is also obviously a very arrogant person that like many that receive adulation for one thing or another, started believing his own press releases, and in the process shot himself in both feet bigtime.

No for being the arrogant prawn that he is, he deserves everything he cops.

[tallywhacker]

Just an absolutely brilliant duel.............for some you may need to ignore the splash screen at the end of the footage.

Not sure the point you are trying to make by posting this up Tom ? Performances like this are exactly why the "haters" (as Lance called anyone who wouldn't blindly bow down to his greatness) started asking questions. There wasn't/isn't a clean athlete in the world who could offer Pantani that "gift".

Are you still filthy that your "hero" has been caught ?

Sorry Chuck, I'm not sure what you are getting at

I posted that clip due to Marco Pantani winning that hill climb, beating Lance Armstrong, and looked at it more as PED's verses PED's

For further info on Marco Pantani see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Pantani

As far as LA being my hero is concerned............I have no hero's, LA was a professional cyclist who did whatever he believed he needed to do to win.
Unfortunately he is also obviously a very arrogant person that like many that receive adulation for one thing or another, started believing his own press releases, and in the process shot himself in both feet bigtime.

No for being the arrogant prawn that he is, he deserves everything he cops.

according to Hamilton, armstrong eased off and let Pantani take the victory as he felt he had shown him (Pantani) who was the strongest.

[Chuck]

Sorry Chuck, I'm not sure what you are getting at

I posted that clip due to Marco Pantani winning that hill climb, beating Lance Armstrong, and looked at it more as PED's verses PED's

As far as LA being my hero is concerned............I have no hero's, LA was a professional cyclist who did whatever he believed he needed to do to win.

Your first post....

A vendetta that has cost and is still costing a huge amount of money, and to what end?

The destruction of a hero’s reputation, and in the process the destruction of an organisation that has done a huge amount of good for cancer sufferers.

...........and if anyone believes that the pro circuit is now squeaky clean has their head up their backside.

....in this thread

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=53499


It seemed a pretty passionate response to me And I thought that you posting up that video and calling it "brilliant" was a show of support ? If I'm wrong no offence meant.

And the use of the word hero ? Ok you did not say he was your hero but you did refer to him AS a hero, even in the wake of all this. Again I considered it a show of support ? Again I might be wrong.

If you posted up the video to say that it was an even playing field ? Well I think there has been enough evidence contained in the report to say no it wasn't.

There were a few others in the above mentioned thread who also took the view that this was a vendetta. I think it has been shown that USADA were willing to act where the UCI would not, for reasons as yet unexplained. The USADA have not been given anywhere near the credit it deserves for staying the course in the face much public and political pressure, they have my respect, for what it's worth.

[DaveOZ]

Tyler Hamilton is my new hero. I'm even growing my hair so it looks like a mop.

[marinmomma]

Where do you draw the line with this???

Throw away your Trek bike now???

And don't forget that Mellow Johnny's kit that you have.....

[Oxford]

Where do you draw the line with this???

Throw away your Trek bike now???

And don't forget that Mellow Johnny's kit that you have.....

Where it pleases you.

No, never owned one.

Ditto above.

[ldrcycles]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q38Gyjv4EE&feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

[/quote]

For me the Tom Simpson memorial at 3:40 was darkly ironic...