Can you guys stop it with the jokes. This is serious.Chuck wrote:Let's hope the UCI are brave and surprise us with an honest and transparent response.
HOLY !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !!!!! Amstrong accepts life ban!!!
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:45 pm
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:55 pm
It was pretty simple, she was worried about her fiancée's (Frankie) health and well being after finding out about the cocktail of PEDS LA was using that quite possibly led to him getting cancer, and so she demanded Frankie come clean about it and stop using if he was. To her, the health of her family was the #1 priority.JustJames wrote:Anybody know why Betsy Andreu is so vocal in all of this?
At first I thought that she might be a jilted lover...but unlike his first wife, Sheryl Crow or the anorexia twins, Betsy looks nothing like LA's mother, so that can't be it.
Then LA started to attack her mercilessly for telling the truth.
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Postby eldavo » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:59 pm
The behaviour reminds me of the father of a child abuse victim who was threatened to have his life ruined if he contested the popular and influential character who was warden at a town youth hostel for 15 years from 1975 to 1990 and abused 11 children. The example father complied with the threats, his other son was also abused, and the elder left home at 17 and has never seen or spoken to his father since.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-19/a ... atsouthern" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is the mentioned boy betrayed by his father telling part of the story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reAxLbsEuYY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Like the UCI, that report found the authorities in the community (including Police, schools, council) to be complicit in enabling the PED (pun), neglecting the issues, not acting to their duties of care. The arse covering by higher ups using rider scape goats has understandably made people want to come out.
I don't think all hard nosed Texans need to be painted with the same brush.
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Postby __PG__ » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:26 pm
The F1 analogy is limited because the FIA do a lot more to clamp down on cheating than the UCI does.g-boaf wrote:It's like the F1 regulations designed to slow cars down. Regardless of what they do, the engineers find a way to make them go even faster than before. While there is so much money in sponsorship and that desire to win, those with the best science behind them will still win.
In motorsport there are strict parc ferme rules that apply to when the teams can work on the cars.
In instances when the FIA was unable to stop cheating (e.g. traction control) they took the step to create their own ECUs to further lower the likelihood of cheating. When it comes to aerodynamic flexible structures...the FIA is always altering its tests to try and keep up with the teams. Many times the FIA has changed the rules mid-year to nip 'creative' interpretations of the rules in the bud (e.g. Renault's mass damper in 2006).
You wonder if the UCI could implement a similar strategy (and I think someone else suggested this either on this forum or on Weight Weenies). Implement 'parc ferme' rules whereby the teams cannot 'service' their riders in between stages. Once a rider finishes a stage he returns to the UCI hotel where he only interacts with UCI doctors/masseurs/officials.
Secondly, the UCI itself distributes all food/water to the riders during an event. Any team found distributing non-UCI sanctioned food/water to a rider is banned.
To me it shows how little the UCI actually care about the issue when they continue to blame the riders and let the team owners and doctors continue to work.
The rider is just an engine. He just pushes the pedals on a bike. The team management and doctors dictate the team strategies, doping regimes, sponsorship agreements etc.
If you separate the engine from the reach of team management during a race they can't tamper with the engine and cheat.
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Postby Alien27 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:18 am
Top letter with no punches pulled.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:24 am
You might be overestimating the influence or responsibility teams currently have on the training and preparation of riders. The majority are hardly "professional" in that regard, and certainly not well organised. It's really quite amateur, with most riders left to fend for themselves with whatever resources they have and are willing to throw at it.__PG__ wrote:The rider is just an engine. He just pushes the pedals on a bike. The team management and doctors dictate the team strategies, doping regimes, sponsorship agreements etc.
If you separate the engine from the reach of team management during a race they can't tamper with the engine and cheat.
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Postby find_bruce » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:17 am
It is on the skins website at http://www.skins.net/open-letter-to-uci-president.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Alien27 wrote:SMH page 2 bottom left hand corner!! An open letter to Mr Pat McQuaid, President of UCI from Jamie fuller chairman of SKINS International.
Top letter with no punches pulled.
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Postby jindydiver » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:20 pm
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/cyc ... 27ved.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Postby The 2nd Womble » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:33 pm
It'll be interesting to see if it affects the AGF at all. Can't see why it would really need to and I hope nothing eventuates, but everyone is running away from this quick smart.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:23 pm
Clean cycling reputation? Not sure what rock people have been hiding under. But I suppose nationalistic glasses do tend to be rose coloured.The 2nd Womble wrote:The utterly unforgivable thing now is that Australia has always prided itself on it's clean cycling rep in the pill'o-ton. It's not just the athletes that are tarnished today, but Our reputation as a sporting nation as well. I'm disgusted.
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Postby sogood » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:39 pm
Only if you believe in nationalistic media and have succumbed. Doping is an universal problem that born out of human nature. It has no national or ethnic or sporting boundaries. I am far more disgusted by illegal wars and rights abuses of this world.The 2nd Womble wrote:The utterly unforgivable thing now is that Australia has always prided itself on it's clean cycling rep in the pill'o-ton. It's not just the athletes that are tarnished today, but Our reputation as a sporting nation as well. I'm disgusted.
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Postby The 2nd Womble » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:12 pm
It's a sad day whether you believed the bull poop or not.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:50 pm
Then we have evidence of a multiverse.The 2nd Womble wrote:Remember that until this week, Australian riders had been beyond reproach. I'm not naive.
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Postby Jono L. » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:50 pm
How long have you got?The 2nd Womble wrote:Prior to the release of USADA's findings, who were you aware of?
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Postby find_bruce » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:52 pm
You mean apart from Mark Roland, Nathan O'Neil, Carey Hall and Stephen Pate ?The 2nd Womble wrote:Prior to the release of USADA's findings, who were you aware of?
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Postby The 2nd Womble » Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:19 pm
I know of Pate. Who the hell are these other blokes?find_bruce wrote:You mean apart from Mark Roland, Nathan O'Neil, Carey Hall and Stephen Pate ?The 2nd Womble wrote:Prior to the release of USADA's findings, who were you aware of?
I'm just gonna stand over here and hold up my new Zealnd passport from behind these curtains...
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Postby greyhoundtom » Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:47 pm
The 2nd Womble wrote:I know of Pate. Who the hell are these other blokes?find_bruce wrote:You mean apart from Mark Roland, Nathan O'Neil, Carey Hall and Stephen Pate ?The 2nd Womble wrote:Prior to the release of USADA's findings, who were you aware of?
By AFP | Friday, Sep 19, 2008 11.28am
Australian cyclist Mark Roland has been suspended for two years for using human growth hormone
By Neal Rogers Published Oct. 6, 2010 Updated May. 1, 2012 at 2:00 PM EDT
USADA: O’Neill a key player in O’Bee doping case
An eight-time Australian national time trial champion who won the 2005 Tour de Beauce, O’Neill was suspended from August 2007 to November 2008 for a positive test for the prescription appetite suppressant Phentermine.
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Removable window sticker?
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Postby master6 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:03 pm
Carey Hall; Kathy Watt partner?
Mark? Mark who?
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Postby Magnus » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:36 pm
The Journo showed Anderson video footage of cyclist Stephen Swart swearing under oath that Anderson and Armstrong met him (Swart) in a hotel room to pay him (and his Coors team) $50,000 not to challenge Armstrong in the second of 3 races that make up the Triple crown series in the US (in the early 90's I think). Armstrong had already won the first leg and needed to win the next two legs to secure a $1,000,000 bonus. Armstrong won all three races and the bonus.
Anderson's response to the question about the truth of the allegation was, in my opinion, tentative and highly unconvincing. He said that he couldn't remember the meeting or the bribery offer and added that "this doesn't say it didn't happen". Which one of us could forget whether or not we ever offered 50K to someone for whatever reason? This sounds to me very much like a non-denial denial.
Anyone see it?
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Postby sogood » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:36 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:15 pm
Those, and these are just some in last few years that have actually been formally issued sanctions:find_bruce wrote:You mean apart from Mark Roland, Nathan O'Neil, Carey Hall and Stephen Pate ?The 2nd Womble wrote:Prior to the release of USADA's findings, who were you aware of?
Mark French, Gregory Ball, Graham Rootes, Josh Cornish, Michael Stallard, Gregory Ford, James Kelly, Stephen Hines, Jules Amos, Stephen Sabine, Andrew Burne, Daniel Galea, Andrew Wyper, Hilton McMurdo
Prior to that there was Martin Vinnicomb, the whole "injection of vitamins" mess with the AIS track sprint squad prior to Athens Olympics, and sadly Jobie Dajka taking his own life some time later.
That's just tip of the iceberg of course since of course we know that the vast majority of dopers don't actually end up with positive doping controls, and very few of these are from the second half of 1990s and first half of 2000s - the biggest doping period in cycling.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:20 pm
Nothing to see here, move along....Magnus wrote:Did anyone catch the full interview between Phil Anderson and the Four Corners journo - it included bribery allegations.
The Journo showed Anderson video footage of cyclist Stephen Swart swearing under oath that Anderson and Armstrong met him (Swart) in a hotel room to pay him (and his Coors team) $50,000 not to challenge Armstrong in the second of 3 races that make up the Triple crown series in the US (in the early 90's I think). Armstrong had already won the first leg and needed to win the next two legs to secure a $1,000,000 bonus. Armstrong won all three races and the bonus.
Anderson's response to the question about the truth of the allegation was, in my opinion, tentative and highly unconvincing. He said that he couldn't remember the meeting or the bribery offer and added that "this doesn't say it didn't happen". Which one of us could forget whether or not we ever offered 50K to someone for whatever reason? This sounds to me very much like a non-denial denial.
Anyone see it?
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