Closing the door on Doping - Time to move on
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Closing the door on Doping - Time to move on
Postby AUbicycles » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:05 am
HOWEVER I am now going to focus on the future, on clean and honest sports cycling. I am putting my confidence into the sport that the current and future generations of cyclists will learn from the mistakes others have made so he sport can grow and be attractive and compelling for the right reasons.
Who is going to join me?
(I am looking forward to Cadel Evans take on Froome)
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Postby The 2nd Womble » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:25 am
Huge fan of booted RGers who just can't help themselves
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Postby The 2nd Womble » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:26 am
Huge fan of booted RGers who just can't help themselves
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Postby The 2nd Womble » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:28 am
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Postby paladin » Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:44 am
Yup. Really looking fwd to contradict groomed this year. Cadel? I don't think so. Wiggins? God no I could not stand another boring tour.RobertFrith wrote:One of the great things about cycling is the great competitive lifespan that riders have. Having said that Cadel is one of the oldest riders to win the tour, it would be remarkable for him to do it again. Froome, eight years his junior looked amazing this year. He will be very interesting to watch in '13.
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Postby greyhoundtom » Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:15 am
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Re: Closing the door on Doping - Time to move on
Postby MichaelB » Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:11 am
Big kudos for all the guys that ARE riding clean and busting their guts in the face of everything.
Go Cadel and OGE (and other Aussies on other teams) !!!!
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Postby bardygrub » Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:42 am
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Postby g-boaf » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:33 am
Yes, and hopefully Cadel can win it again.AUbicycles wrote:This is a symbolic post recognising that this whole doping episode has created a pretty bad mess.
HOWEVER I am now going to focus on the future, on clean and honest sports cycling. I am putting my confidence into the sport that the current and future generations of cyclists will learn from the mistakes others have made so he sport can grow and be attractive and compelling for the right reasons.
Who is going to join me?
(I am looking forward to Cadel Evans take on Froome)
Regardless of all the doping troubles, it's still a great sport - the one I'm happy to encourage people to get involved in. And regardless of how much I might say "oh I'm not going to watch professional cycling", I still do.
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Postby find_bruce » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:37 am
Samuel Abt wrote: Will His Comeback Be an Omen for the Race?: Tour Finds Renewal In Armstrong's Story
Published: July 5, 1999
CHALLANS, France— Two days into the 86th Tour de France, the jury is still out on whether it has retained its popularity with a public weary of doping scandals, but there was no doubt Sunday that the victory of Lance Armstrong in the opening prologue after his battle with cancer was exactly the symbol the race organizers wished for.
Happy? Jean-Marie Leblanc, the Tour's director, was asked before the start Sunday of the first of 20 daily stages. He flashed a rare smile in the last year of turmoil and replied: "Yes — for me, for the Tour and for Lance above all. This is the Tour of renewal, of a return to the top level, and look at him: He incarnates that."
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Postby sogood » Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:57 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:07 pm
Agreed. From what Wiggo has said, Froome may be let off the leash as Sky team captain. Next years race probably won't be won in the time trials, given that the Queen stage is located after the second time trial. they could have saved everyone a lot of hassle this year and just run a TT instead, since that's all the race turned out to be.sogood wrote:I want to see Cadel, Froom and Contador battle it out. Any less would be boring.
Two ascents of Huez!! Bring it on. Doper or not, Contador is a beautiful climber and if we get the same sort of battles up the mountains that we had in 2009, I'll be happy (provided that Channel 9 don't get the coverage).
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Re: Closing the door on Doping - Time to move on
Postby Abby » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:00 pm
Cycling is a beautiful sport to me - whether competing, training, just mucking around, or watching. I like to believe that the 'new generation' coming through are clean, and I don't care if that makes me naive or even delusional. I just love it - and I'm not gonna let some bullying psychopath, who ran the most effective doping prgram I;ve ever heard of, ruin that for me...
Cheers,
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Re: Closing the door on Doping - Time to move on
Postby foo on patrol » Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:04 pm
It does sadden me when I read blokes saying, it is boring too watch the likes of TDF because of the domination of this or that team. You still have to admire the the effort that it takes for all the riders (even the bloody cheats) that compete in this and events like it because it is a huge effort to go out and compete at 100% or close to it every day. By not watching and supporting these races you are stick it to the blokes that are clean and trying to overcome adversity and to me that's not far to them.
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Postby sogood » Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:49 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby schroeds » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:56 pm
Maybe they'll come looking for a freakshow and leave having discovered the most beautiful sport in the world.
There, could I be any more positive?
Erm, I mean positive in the nicest sense of the word, folks
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Re: Closing the door on Doping - Time to move on
Postby DavidS » Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:49 am
I do think cycling is doing more than just about any sport to stamp out doping, but I still can't trust the leadership of the UCI. My opinion is that the UCI has been dragged along to introduce the more effective testing regime we see now.
That said, I will be watching races next year, I do think the peleton is much cleaner now and I'm amazed that we're not (yet?) seeing anyone ask the bleedingly obvious question: if this was going on in cycling, what was going on in a heap of other sports (athletics springs to mind)?
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Re: Closing the door on Doping - Time to move on
Postby Purt » Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:32 am
Same stuff gets said every time someone gets caught.AUbicycles wrote:HOWEVER I am now going to focus on the future, on clean and honest sports cycling. I am putting my confidence into the sport that the current and future generations of cyclists will learn from the mistakes others have made so he sport can grow and be attractive and compelling for the right reasons.
Nothings going to change.
I guess we could take bets on the next to fall?
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Re: Closing the door on Doping - Time to move on
Postby clackers » Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:03 am
Cycling was the only sport to do anything about the clients of Dr Fuentes, who apparently included soccer and tennis stars.DavidS wrote:: if this was going on in cycling, what was going on in a heap of other sports (athletics springs to mind)?
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Postby greyhoundtom » Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:21 am
This network has hopefully been eliminated as a result of the LA expose’ and should leave any cyclist wanting to go down the PED path to their own devices, and in the process should make it more difficult for them to remain undetected without such insider knowledge.
At the same time I find it difficult to believe that team organisers, and other team members would not become aware that one of their own was engaging in the use of some form of PED’s. Therefore if PED use was to be completely eradicated, it would require some form of hefty penalty to be levelled against the whole of the team and their management, if one of their number was detected using PED’s.
This would result in a far more stringent effort to eliminated PED’s from cycling than would be possible by just the efforts of the Authorities and their detection program on it’s own.
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Postby greyhoundtom » Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:45 am
Therefore it requires a change of system in such a manner as to make the UCI’s role less able to interfere with any positive swab enquiries.
It may even take the setting up of a separate Authority to solely handle swabbing of riders, the conducting of enquiries into positive swabs, and the setting of penalties to riders and teams.
The problem will be to find a sufficient universally accepted argument for doing so, as well as the will and of course the finance, without any real implicating evidence that this role should be taken away from the UCI.
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