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Tour of Bright question.....

Postby Nitram » Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:50 pm

Somehow we managed to get our entries in early enough to get a start at this years Tour of Bright. It'll be our first time down there, and there isn't much info on the website, and what there is seems pretty out-of-date. So I've got a couple of questions for anyone who might have been there before.

We don't have any kind of a support crew, and I was wondering how riders generally get back to Bright at the end of the stage. Stage 1 ends up on Towonga Gap, and I guess it's not too far from there back to Bright, so we just ride back I guess. But Stage 3 is all the way through Harrietville and up Mt Hotham- 60kms or so. I know it's downhill coming back (assuming I actually make it to the top..... :) ) but 60k is still a fair way. I don't suppose they put on a shuttle bus for riders and bikes ??

On the first stage, which I think is 90km or so, is there a feed zone ? Not that I have anyone to hand me anything...... but I'm thinking that if its warm I'll get through more than two drink bottles of fluid........

Really looking forward to it !! :D :D

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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby Jono L. » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:29 am

Nitram wrote:Somehow we managed to get our entries in early enough to get a start at this years Tour of Bright. It'll be our first time down there, and there isn't much info on the website, and what there is seems pretty out-of-date. So I've got a couple of questions for anyone who might have been there before.

We don't have any kind of a support crew, and I was wondering how riders generally get back to Bright at the end of the stage. Stage 1 ends up on Towonga Gap, and I guess it's not too far from there back to Bright, so we just ride back I guess. But Stage 3 is all the way through Harrietville and up Mt Hotham- 60kms or so. I know it's downhill coming back (assuming I actually make it to the top..... :) ) but 60k is still a fair way. I don't suppose they put on a shuttle bus for riders and bikes ??


Everyone just rides back.

Most people stop in harrietville and have a coffee etc and laze around before slowly creeping back down to Bright.
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby kosh » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:42 pm

Nitram wrote:On the first stage, which I think is 90km or so, is there a feed zone ? Not that I have anyone to hand me anything...... but I'm thinking that if its warm I'll get through more than two drink bottles of fluid.

Stage 1 feed zone is at Tawonga with 12km to go, after the sprint and shortly before the Tawonga Gap climb. There'll be water available. Have a look at the maps, feed zones are marked.
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby Parker » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:50 pm

have a great time, it's beautiful country
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby Ross » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:37 am

Pity he will be in too much pain to notice it...
Take it easy coming back down Hotham, a mate of mine overcooked the corner at the Meg and had an unscheduled one-on-one meeting with the armco railing.
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby number21 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:10 pm

Don't mean to hijack Nitrams thread, but got my own Tour of Bright question.

I'm down to race in C grade and my recent training hasn't been what I had planned. Uni exams, family holiday in QLD, couple of days with a cold have limited my riding in November when I really wanted to work on my speed after racking up good Kms in Sept and Oct. My question is am I going to be competitive enough to race in or near the front for the road stages. I don't want to drive from Sydney and pay for 2/3 nights accommodation and only to get dropped from the pack on each stage.

I have no idea what to expect from the other C graders having never raced an open before. In regards to my form I did the ACE250 in Jan and did Hotham in 1h36m (92nd on Strava) riding pretty steadily to do the remaining 200kms so feel I would go faster this time around. More recently I did Robbie McEwens Grand Fondo and finished with a total time ranked on Strava as 31st. Sep/Oct spent alot of time doing ~3hours rides in the RNP and currently feel i'm around a similar level to what I was in Jan, bit faster with less endurance though. Any honest opinions to my chances would be appreciated.

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Nitram wrote:On the first stage, which I think is 90km or so, is there a feed zone ? Not that I have anyone to hand me anything...... but I'm thinking that if its warm I'll get through more than two drink bottles of fluid.

Stage 1 feed zone is at Tawonga with 12km to go, after the sprint and shortly before the Tawonga Gap climb. There'll be water available. Have a look at the maps, feed zones are marked.


Does that mean I'll be able to grab a bidon on water off a vollie or something at the feed zone if I've got no support?
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby number21 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:15 pm

Might be worthwhile to add I train solo and from sporadic indoor cycling studio sessions my power to weight is usually somewhere between 4-4.5watts per kg I think (being 65kgs has its advantages).
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby jamescbdunn » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:21 pm

Here's your time for the climb on the final stage, compared to the times of the guys who came 1st and 2nd in C-grade:

http://raceshape.com/strava-segments/847040?rides=68119085-43501690-43975035

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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby jules21 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:45 am

jamescbdunn wrote:Here's your time for the climb on the final stage, compared to the times of the guys who came 1st and 2nd in C-grade:

http://raceshape.com/strava-segments/847040?rides=68119085-43501690-43975035

i recognise one of those names as a guy who hands out the pain in A grade club races.. he's not really a C-grader.
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby Ross » Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:57 am

Most if not all of them would be club level A graders, that's the nature of ToB. The ToB handicappers don't check gradings, they just accept whatever riders submit.
Several A grade local names there I recognise too.
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby kosh » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:17 pm

number21 wrote:Does that mean I'll be able to grab a bidon on water off a vollie or something at the feed zone if I've got no support?

golly if it's going to a soggy scorcher then I hope so, how does the neutral feed work at tob? my wife would much rather be at the finish line than the feed zone..
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby handle » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:36 pm

Neutral feed: Last year it was volunteers on the left side of the road handing up bidons of water just before the Tawonga climb (near the pub), as per kosh's post. I just put one of my empty bidons into my jersey and took a fresh one.
Food for thought - you've seen what can happen in feed zones in pro races ? What do you think will happen when the C grade bunch hits the feed zone ? You probably want to position yourself in anticipation...

In response to number21: ToB course/organisation/vibe is awesome. If you have an entry but choose not to go....... you'll be kicking yourself. It makes no sense to compare ACE / Gran Fondo times to a shorter, more intense road race. There will be plenty of people dropped - maybe even you - who cares ? Get in with the grupetto and enjoy the ride.
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby number21 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:06 pm

Thanks JD for doing that, cheers. Neat site.

Yeah I decided to not let the opportunity go by and booked some accommodation yesterday ($85 for a room compared to the $45 for an unpowered camp site in Jan!!). Feeling quite pumped and excited about it now, so thanks all for the positive vibes. Shall remember "stage 1- ~80kms- stick to the left".

Will be good to be amongst all the bikes and lyrca in Bright again!
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby kosh » Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:15 pm

number21 wrote:Thanks JD for doing that, cheers. Neat site.

Yeah I decided to not let the opportunity go by and booked some accommodation yesterday ($85 for a room compared to the $45 for an unpowered camp site in Jan!!). Feeling quite pumped and excited about it now, so thanks all for the positive vibes. Shall remember "stage 1- ~80kms- stick to the left".

Will be good to be amongst all the bikes and lyrca in Bright again!

woot!

if you haven't trained specifically then just finishing will be the goal, and like the Warny there's nothing to feel but pride in that! Being more of a natural sprinter that's MY goal too, I will be looking for gruppeto buddies to work after Rosewhite in particular
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby number21 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:32 am

Just a quick note about ToB. So glad I went, had such a great time. Finished mid pack, avoided the big stack 6.5kms into stage 1(just) so I took that as a positive sign, weather was perfect, great roads. Learnt a lot about racing, lots of seriously good riders down there. Hopefully can get an entry next year and try to improve.

Hope all the others on here had a good time also and for those in C grade missed the neutral zone crit pile up!
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby ro. » Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:10 am

number21 wrote:Just a quick note about ToB. So glad I went, had such a great time. Finished mid pack, avoided the big stack 6.5kms into stage 1(just) so I took that as a positive sign, weather was perfect, great roads. Learnt a lot about racing, lots of seriously good riders down there. Hopefully can get an entry next year and try to improve.

Hope all the others on here had a good time also and for those in C grade missed the neutral zone crit pile up!


Nice to hear. I was the ACT Vikings rider somersaulting through the air in that c grade stack :( Pretty disappointed with it. Was hoping to go top 20 on the gc. Luckily i just lost skin, and was bruised but somehow my bones held together! Managed to snap my seat off, slightly buckle the wheels, smash my quarq, bend my rear derailler hanger, destroy some cables and shatter my helmet...

I kept racing since I had my TT bike there. TT went ok, not ideal, but gave it what I had left. With some help we patched up my bike using bits from the TT rig, and a few borrowed pieces.

Sunday I felt pretty good, a little stiff and sore, but once I warmed up was ok. Decided I wasn't going to sit in, so counter attacked on the first pinch out of town, and went on a solo break for 8k or so and took the first sprint point. Though since I was out of gc, it didn't count, but it was a bit of fun. Stayed near the front for the next sprint point at harrietville, wasted a bit of energy and got caught a little short when the road went up. Missed the front pack, so had to work my way back once I got to the false flat. Was pretty happy with how I finished the climb, managed to get just outside the top 20.

Plenty of lessons learned, would like to try to get back next year. Need to support my mates who got automatic invites, and pursue personal glory as well of course :) Despite the crash, it was a really fun weekend.
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby skull » Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:51 am

Wow some serious damage to your bike there ro.

Sounds a tho you fared better at least.

Quick question you entered c, was looking at being up in the top half of the field, what grade do you race at club level?

Just asking as I am c-d when racing (or b in vets) was going to enter c grade (missed out on getting in) and got report back that c grade at bright consists of a large number of club a graders.

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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby ro. » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:11 am

Well the bike could of been worse I guess, oh well. Least there were no medical bills.

As for the grading, its certainly a much debated topic!

Because C grade is the lowest grade you got a real mix of people. This is my first season road racing, but have done the last couple of local races in B grade here in Canberra. Im generally in the top 5 depending on the course. A couple mates who ride B with me and are a little stronger finished in the top 10 and 20 of C. I know a couple other guys who race local A grade, and go up hills better than I (say 2 minutes on a 30 minute climb) and they finished inside top 15 of B grade. The top 5 of C grade, were local A grade quality definitely. They would of finished top 10 in B grade.

The rough rule is because its open to drop a grade. But obviously this is widely subjective and some guys go up the climbs better. Most people can hang on in the flatter bits, but it just breaks apart on the climb.

Looking at strava, I did 1:28 on mt hotham, roughly 8-10 minutes behind the winners of b and c grade.

If you race c/d you'd probably survive to the climbs if you are smart. If you want to get in the mix of things though, you will need a fair bit more. If you know any of the climbs in canberra I could give you some reference points on times to compare
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby skull » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:21 am

I am act based.

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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby ro. » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:35 am

Ah cool, well I did a pb on honeysuckle 2 weeks back, went high 26. A couple guys went a minute faster up the climb, they finished top 20 in C grade on the weekend. A friend did 23ish in A grade, and he came top 20 in B grade at bright. Same guy does about 9 minutes up blackie. Its definitely a strong field. With having to qualify next year it'll be even more so I think.
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby jules21 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:55 am

don't forget there's masters grades, although they don't look much easier :)
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby ro. » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:38 pm

haha masters 1/2/3 is as hard as A grade !
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby jules21 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:57 pm

ro. wrote:haha masters 1/2/3 is as hard as A grade !

no grupetto for beer gutted has-beens? :cry:
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Re: Tour of Bright question.....

Postby skull » Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:10 pm

ro. wrote:Ah cool, well I did a pb on honeysuckle 2 weeks back, went high 26. A couple guys went a minute faster up the climb, they finished top 20 in C grade on the weekend. A friend did 23ish in A grade, and he came top 20 in B grade at bright. Same guy does about 9 minutes up blackie. Its definitely a strong field. With having to qualify next year it'll be even more so I think.



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