Chinerallo, Has any1 purchased??

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Chinerallo, Has any1 purchased??

Postby bardygrub » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:52 pm

If so...
1. Where from eg. Ebay, Aliexpress ect?
2. Didbyou receive it?
3 If you did receive it, how good are they.

Im getting keener everytime i look them up on Aliexpress and am thinking of selling my 6 month old dale to get oe of these dogmas with di2 for around $650.

Any thoughts?
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Postby AUbicycles » Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:17 pm

Don't do it.
If you want to buy direct, buy a generic frame that doesn't pretend to be something that it is not.

If an overseas seller is selling a fake pinerallo it is fraud, apart of the ethics of knowingly buying a fake, the seller is shady and there is a chance that the frame / bike has serious safety issues - problems that you can't confirm and that certainly don't pass safety standards. BTW, Aliexpress has a bad reputation in that it is abused by fraudsters - at least in the cycling industry.

Use the search function to find the threads in this forum to find discussions on reputable chinese manufacturers of generic chinese carbon bikes. These are also priced low and you can often get custom decals. You will also learn from other peoples experiences, what went wrong, and what was good.

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Postby bardygrub » Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:51 pm

AUbicycles wrote:Don't do it.
If you want to buy direct, buy a generic frame that doesn't pretend to be something that it is not.

If an overseas seller is selling a fake pinerallo it is fraud, apart of the ethics of knowingly buying a fake, the seller is shady and there is a chance that the frame / bike has serious safety issues - problems that you can't confirm and that certainly don't pass safety standards. BTW, Aliexpress has a bad reputation in that it is abused by fraudsters - at least in the cycling industry.

Use the search function to find the threads in this forum to find discussions on reputable chinese manufacturers of generic chinese carbon bikes. These are also priced low and you can often get custom decals. You will also learn from other peoples experiences, what went wrong, and what was good.

Christopher

roger that, thanks.

But the look sooooo good!
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Postby clydesmcdale » Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:16 pm

+1 head over to velobuild for the info on who are the reputable suppliers. Can also jump in on their group buys for further discounts.

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Postby usernameforme » Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:24 pm

AUbicycles wrote:Don't do it.
If you want to buy direct, buy a generic frame that doesn't pretend to be something that it is not.


I'd say go for it, But don't get the Pinarello paint. I guess the line is cut at different stages for different people, but the paint is what doesn't do it for me. on the topic of fraud, Velobuild has a great database of legit companies, probably get a better reply there

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Postby AUbicycles » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:12 pm

Here are some links:
Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread

you will find a lot of valuable info there.

This is the new forum section for Generic Carbon discussions.

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Postby jacks1071 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:37 am

bardygrub wrote:If so...
1. Where from eg. Ebay, Aliexpress ect?
2. Didbyou receive it?
3 If you did receive it, how good are they.

Im getting keener everytime i look them up on Aliexpress and am thinking of selling my 6 month old dale to get oe of these dogmas with di2 for around $650.

Any thoughts?


You'd sell a 6-month old Cannondale to buy a fake pinarello?
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Postby Xplora » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:46 am

jacks1071 wrote:
bardygrub wrote:If so...
1. Where from eg. Ebay, Aliexpress ect?
2. Didbyou receive it?
3 If you did receive it, how good are they.

Im getting keener everytime i look them up on Aliexpress and am thinking of selling my 6 month old dale to get oe of these dogmas with di2 for around $650.

Any thoughts?


You'd sell a 6-month old Cannondale to buy a fake pinarello?

I deal with this logic every day in a very different industry... irony is that the groupset isn't the thing that keeps your face off the road at 80kmh :)

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Postby AUbicycles » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:54 am

Xplora wrote:I deal with this logic every day in a very different industry... irony is that the groupset isn't the thing that keeps your face off the road at 80kmh :)


But that's not irony is it? For $650 I can't see a decent groupset included in the package.

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Postby usernameforme » Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:39 pm

Competitive cyclist just did an article on this in their what's new. Bit biased IMO with petty fears. They suggest that these frames are factory seconds, which they are not because while they are close copies, they are not EXACT copies. Details like the BB, the cable routing and seat post are often wrong. A BB30 bottom bracket cannot be a manufacturing fault in the production lines of BSA frames, nor can a drastically altered seatpost or different cable routing. FWIF, Great Keen Bike's Cervelo S3 copy actually has better mechanical cable routing than the real S3 (might not be as aero, but you don't get the tight curve)

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Postby __PG__ » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:58 pm

You should get a copy Pinarello but with "Chinarello" stickers :mrgreen:
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Postby Xplora » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:17 am

__PG__ wrote:You should get a copy Pinarello but with "Chinarello" stickers :mrgreen:

A true hardman would get a real Pinarello and put Chinarello stickers on the real thing 8)

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Postby jacks1071 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:50 am

AUbicycles wrote:
Xplora wrote:I deal with this logic every day in a very different industry... irony is that the groupset isn't the thing that keeps your face off the road at 80kmh :)


But that's not irony is it? For $650 I can't see a decent groupset included in the package.


I think Xplora's point is, some people worry too much about the groupset and not about the frame.
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Postby Walastik » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:19 am

clydesmcdale wrote:+1 head over to velobuild for the info on who are the reputable suppliers. Can also jump in on their group buys for further discounts.


+1 on velobuild. Got a Dengfu Fm098 frame from there. On matte black, without any stickers

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Postby boss » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:40 am

usernameforme wrote:Competitive cyclist just did an article on this in their what's new. Bit biased IMO with petty fears. They suggest that these frames are factory seconds, which they are not because while they are close copies, they are not EXACT copies. Details like the BB, the cable routing and seat post are often wrong. A BB30 bottom bracket cannot be a manufacturing fault in the production lines of BSA frames, nor can a drastically altered seatpost or different cable routing. FWIF, Great Keen Bike's Cervelo S3 copy actually has better mechanical cable routing than the real S3 (might not be as aero, but you don't get the tight curve)


I found that article to be pretty interesting once you got past the fact they're trying to get you to drink the industry kool aid. Granted, it wasn't as bad as I expected considering CC make their money from selling you the genuine article.

I personally liked that it was well linked/referenced, gave me a bit to read. Will keep an eye on that column.

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Postby Xplora » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:13 pm

jacks1071 wrote:I think Xplora's point is, some people worry too much about the groupset and not about the frame.

Yep, Di2 doesn't make my saddle sores go away :lol:

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Postby clydesmcdale » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:24 pm

Anyone have a link for the competitive cyclist article in mention?

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Postby boss » Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:01 pm

clydesmcdale wrote:Anyone have a link for the competitive cyclist article in mention?


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=competitive+cyclist+whats+new

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Re: Chinerallo, Has any1 purchased??

Postby slian » Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:09 pm

Another related article I recall reading about this issue

http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2011/08/a ... ted-equal/

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Postby jacks1071 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:31 pm

Xplora wrote:
jacks1071 wrote:I think Xplora's point is, some people worry too much about the groupset and not about the frame.

Yep, Di2 doesn't make my saddle sores go away :lol:


To be fair, a new frame probably won't fix them either :-)

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Postby JustJames » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:15 pm

jimboss wrote:
clydesmcdale wrote:Anyone have a link for the competitive cyclist article in mention?


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=competitive+cyclist+whats+new

:wink:



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Postby bardygrub » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:17 pm

JustJames wrote:
jimboss wrote:
clydesmcdale wrote:Anyone have a link for the competitive cyclist article in mention?


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=competitive+cyclist+whats+new

:wink:

Interesting reading, thanks for that. :wink:

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Postby JustJames » Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:30 am

...I meant with a tiny url.

But that seems to put a "spammer" in the works.

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Re: Chinerallo, Has any1 purchased??

Postby boss » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:40 am

I suppose an easier way would be

[ url = http://yoururlhere.com ] some URL description [ / url ] (intentionally spaced BB code so you can see it)

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