toolonglegs wrote:I am wondering why the people who have zero interest in using Strava are so interested in having it regulated?.
damhooligan wrote: Thats easy....
The people that are not interested in using it are concerned .
Hence the regulation bit...
toolonglegs wrote:So people should have the choice as to whether they wear helmets or not... because a rational person should be able to make that decision for themselves with out it being forced upon them... but that same person should be banned from uploading their ride files to a website because they can't make the rational decision as to whether they should ride safely or not.
Next doctors will be saying Strava is bad because people are having heart attacks trying to beat the local Pantani up up Alpe D'Harbour Bridge.
damhooligan wrote:Just stop with the helmet reference.....
Been said before....
If you wanna go helmet there is another thread for this....
Uploading and comparing files/riding data is fine.
There are plenty of other ways then just strava to do this.
Thats not the issue.
The issue is that it promotes racing on public roads.
It promotes cyclists to take more risks.
They promote it.
That i see as a concern.
Is it a problem?
Mayby not. But can it become one?
yes.
As 2 deaths are already linked. More can follow.
At first I thought it was a language thing but now I am starting to think you are a roo short in the top paddock.
That you cannot or refuse to see the comparisons in logic is staggering. Even me pointing it out feels like stating the blindingly obvious.
The reason we have MHL is because of people who did not ride bikes and had no interest in riding bikes being concerned for bike riders. Hence the regulation bit....Anything ringing a bell here?
Was there a problem with people killing themselves by not wearing helmets, well it happens but anti -MHL argument says it was not so prevalent to be a problem. BUT could it become one? Yes. Someone had died while not wearing a helmet....more can follow.......um hello? This is anti-mhl 101...
Ok now onto racing on public roads. You know we race on public roads most weekends all around the country/world right? Yes we need a police permit to hold an official race on public roads but there are no police escorts at my club and all we have is a front and tail car with lights/signs[volunteers from the club, ie other racers]. My point is there is no supervision during the race, people are expected to act within the law and ride safely. And guess what! Just like other road users the vast majority of them do just that.
So what is not a race on public roads? Any ride that does not need a police permit would be my guess.
You say strava encourages racing and I say strava encourages you to ride as fast as you can. There is a strava competition on right now, it is a hillclimb comp. It is on a hill with a 50kph speed limit, my best effort was 25kph and the winner is 29kph. Done on seperate days. There was a segment that existed on the same hill before this comp and the times were much the same. And this might be surprising to you but people were riding up this hill at 29average and faster long before strava existed. It would help your case if you can point out what is so dangerous about riding at half the speed limit and in some cases alone?
Question: What is the difference between riding as fast as you can to beat a pb time on a section of road and doing the same to beat someone elses time who did it 6months earlier. The fact you are riding as fast as you can does not change, so your behaviour on the road does not change. This can be done perfectly legally with no risk to anyone but yourself and even then its minimal. You can do this with a stop watch. Then compare your result with others, something that has been happening since the birth of bicycles I would have thought.
Lastly let me give you a tip, anyone who has been on strava more than 5mins will know you take most KOM's with a very large grain of salt. Even most hill climbs are wind effected and if they are not then the lead up to them can be. Not to mention the number of other things that can alter performance.
I don't even care if you reply or not I'm just calling you out on the blatant hypocrisy. I am sure your mates here will come to your aid with plenty of spin, which is understandable,you need it.