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To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby onthecrusade » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:00 pm

Hi all,

Am trying to decide between the Merida Scultura Comp 905 ( http://99bikes.com.au/bike/merida-scult ... 05/19/6767 ), the Cube GTC Agree Pro ( http://99bikes.com.au/bike/cube-agree-gtc-pro/19/6928 ) and the De Rosa R838 2013 ( http://www.cyclingexpress.com/cycle/de- ... bike.aspx# ).

All are similar spec, a few minor differences here and there. Buying through websites as North QLD prices are inflated.

Any advice??? Not sure how you can tell which frame is better from a quick ride.

Merida apprently have long warranties, De Rosa a better reputation...

Also have to decide tomorrow as the special on the De Rosa will be gone...
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby usernameforme » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:51 am

Buy a bike with a nice colour paint job, none of the bikes you've mentioned are bad bikes
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby tripstobaltimore » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:06 am

not sure how de rosa has a better reputation than merida..... As posted above, get the one you like most, they are all decent bikes.
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby Shpox » Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:56 pm

It's going to be in the ride. For months I had my sights set on the Scultura 904. Ended up really disliking the ride. It felt really dry. I saved $500 by opting for an Alu Cube Streamer kitted with a hybrid layout of Ultegra and 105.

It still burns in the flats. I can't comment on the DeRosa, but the Cube's I road took a showtime on the Merida's in terms of ride feel.
Regardless, make sure it fits. Make sure it rides well.

Don't look back. Don't rush on a sale either. I personally would never buy a bike without riding it.
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby jules21 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:30 pm

i'm looking in similar range and what turned me off the De Rosa is the entry level Fulcrum 7s - bleh..
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby usernameforme » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:14 pm

I wouldn't discount entry level wheels, they become be good training wheels. Wheels supplied OEM on bikes are generally at a much lower level than the bike package itself. While it is a cost-cutting measure, manufacturers figure that at certain price points, owners will already have a nice set of wheels that they'll put on the bike. Why increase the price a little and spec some Fulcrum Racing 5s when neither of them are really race-day/special wheels?

Likewise, if the Manufacturers spec'ed some nice wheels at a much higher cost, owners might either dislike the brand/wheel or have their own. The price is increased, making the product less attractive and the buyers then have the added hassle of selling these wheels, and will often loose money on them. If the buyer does not have nice wheels, the money they save on the bike can be invested into nice wheels of their choice. Speccing bikes with cheap wheels leaves the buyer alot of freedom with what he wants to do with the wheels.
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby jules21 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:25 pm

i understand what you're saying, but for me at least, i already have a bike with wheels which i could use for training (or just keep using the bike for training). i'm looking to upgrade across the board, so i want some nice wheels - they're usually cheaper when spec'd with the bike, as the manufacturers buy them in bulk at a heavy discount. horses for courses, i suppose though.
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby onthecrusade » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:56 pm

Haven't ridden any of these exact bikes but very similar, i.e. the 904, a lightening and previous year R838 and 848.

All seem good but I'm not an expert in carbon frames and how they should feel, or how much flex I should be aiming for.

A Giant TCR maybe should be an option too, but who knows what their wheels are like, Giant PS1s I think.

Too many choices and none that stand out, Fulcrum 7s are probably a good solid training wheel but look like that too. I could use my shimano 500s for that. Would rather get some nicer wheels with the new bike.

So I'm left undecided... dammit. Actually just started looking at second hand... might find something there!
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby jdimitri » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:22 pm

I would absolutely go to a bike shop instead to test ride a few AND get it fitted.

Getting a bike the wrong size is a big and expensive mistake, trust me on that one. Perhaps consider making a weekend driving down to the city or bargaining with your local bike shop.

I'd highly suggest your local bike shop, you'll need them later.

Failing that, the cube looks pretty awesome
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby jacks1071 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:07 pm

jules21 wrote:i'm looking in similar range and what turned me off the De Rosa is the entry level Fulcrum 7s - bleh..


Tell the shop to keep the wheels and put what you saved towards a new set of Pro-Lite Bracciano's, easy :-)
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby TDC » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:17 am

tripstobaltimore wrote:not sure how de rosa has a better reputation than merida.....


could you please expand on that statement?
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby Fixie82 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:07 am

You're not going to find a new bike with racing wheels, unless you really go up $$$ and even then most of the offerings are pretty standard. As has been mentioned most manufacturers look here to save you some coin so you can put on the nice wheels that "YOU" like. One major exception would be some up the upper level Boardman's and possibly even Giant with their new 50mm Carbon offerings but I'm not sure if any of their offerings are equipped with them. In the price bracket you are looking at I would be going for a nice frame, and then components over wheels.

The second hand market would likely give you everything you want if you are prepared to do your homework, take on something that may 'need' some TLC and work or replacement of parts such as chain and cassette. There are regularly bike equipped with Dura Ace, Red, Ultergra, Force and nice racing wheels that slot into your budget. It would certainly open up many more options for you.
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby jules21 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:39 am

i don't expect Zipp 404s at that price point, but i'm looking for something better than Fulcrum 7s. i don't need full on race wheels, just something decent.
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby Shpox » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:02 am

I think the industry has recognized that the majority of buyers looking at the 2.5k + range aren't your average road bike rider, assuming they might already own a pair of wheels especially if they're look at that price point. In saying so, it's your choice to best capitalize on what components you feel best suite.

Does investment in wheels in a bike package suggest the rest of the bike is not upto spec? Not necessarily.
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby jules21 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:29 am

jacks1071 wrote:Tell the shop to keep the wheels and put what you saved towards a new set of Pro-Lite Bracciano's, easy :-)

nice. will keep those in mind.
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby jules21 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:34 am

Shpox wrote:I think the industry has recognized that the majority of buyers looking at the 2.5k + range aren't your average road bike rider, assuming they might already own a pair of wheels especially if they're look at that price point.

i'm unsure i agree. i suspect most buyers in that category are cashed up corporate weekend warriors.
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby usernameforme » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:07 pm

jules21 wrote:i don't need full on race wheels, just something decent.


Fulcrum Racing 7s are decent... whats your gripe against them? Fulcrum 5's are not that much better, and Fulcrum 3's are much more expensive...

anyways, if you're happy with the Racing 7's I agree with Jacks1071, tell the shop to keep the wheels and invest the money saved into wheels that you like/want
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby jules21 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:11 pm

usernameforme wrote:Fulcrum Racing 7s are decent... whats your gripe against them?

heavy - 1850g

the pro lites jacks is selling are ~1470.
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby BrisVegas » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:04 pm

jules21 wrote:i'm unsure i agree. i suspect most buyers in that category are cashed up corporate weekend warriors.


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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby jules21 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:07 pm

not me, i'm special :mrgreen:
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby onthecrusade » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:53 pm

Thanks for the discussion and recommendations. I'll keep my eyes open for a good second hand option and wait for the post Xmas sales...

Although there is a Focus Cayo Limited for $2000 on bikeexchange with Athena and Fulcrum 7s... will have to trial one. I think the frames are pretty heavy though.

I'm in North QLD and the bike shops here don't mark down prices much, largely due to lack of competition. Also a long drive for weekend in Brissy!

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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby tripstobaltimore » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:26 pm

TDC wrote:
tripstobaltimore wrote:not sure how de rosa has a better reputation than merida.....


could you please expand on that statement?


Merida may not have the prestige/history of De Rosa, but they are highly regarded in the bike industry as carbon fibre manufacturers. In fact I believe they are the biggest manufacturer of carbon fibre bikes in the world? (Perhaps have been surpassed by giant....). They probably make De Rosa's carbon frames anyway :roll: .
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby usernameforme » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:27 pm

I'm not sure how accurate this is, but apparently the De Rosa R838 is an open mould frame, made by Pedal Force (the RS3). The Ribble R872 (or stealth) supposedly uses the same mould.
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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby onthecrusade » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:15 pm

Yeah I saw that De Rosa are using open source mould but with higher quality carbon than the RIbble Stealth...
Merida also own a lot of Specialized...

Not sure what to buy will keep searching for good deals. Keep coming back to the Merida, better value for money perhaps although not as eyecatching as the de rosa.

Just saw a good deal on a Giant TCR advanced 0 with Di2 for about the same price as the De Rosa. Worth it? This one doesn't have a flash paint job but giant make a reasonable bike.

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Re: To buy... Merida 905, Cube GTC Pro or De Rosa R838

Postby usernameforme » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:35 am

I'm going to be biased and say Giant make great bikes :lol: I agree that they are going slightly downhill with the colour schemes, but looking at what's popping up in America, I'm becoming hopeful:
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