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Dad enquiry??

Postby ammie7 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:39 pm

My dad reckons that a speedwell on ebay is a royal olympic. He said he had one which was 13008 but was metalic red.
Im looking for a nice Healy,
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby Torana68 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:24 pm

ammie7 wrote:My dad reckons that a speedwell on ebay is a royal olympic. He said he had one which was 13008 but was metalic red.
Im looking for a nice Healy,
Ta.


huh?, I know of no Royal Speedwells on Ebay but do you have a link? :D Healy? as in Austin Healy or?
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby munga » Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:39 pm

Healing?
pitty43 wrote:Thanks all for your help. Better change my Gumtree add now.

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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby ammie7 » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:19 pm

Yes. Healing, (typo).
I have not looked at the ebay sale yet. I was telling my Dad, that those Speedwells are hard to find.
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby scratchman » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:40 am

Torana68 wrote:
ammie7 wrote:My dad reckons that a speedwell on ebay is a royal olympic. He said he had one which was 13008 but was metalic red.
Im looking for a nice Healy,
Ta.


huh?, I know of no Royal Speedwells on Ebay but do you have a link? :D Healy? as in Austin Healy or?

here you are :)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2-old-speedw ... 3f1fea490d
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby Torana68 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:26 am

ta! one by Speedwell Popular frame that looks quite nice, one by not really sure what it is repainted (non original paint) , no Royal Speedwells there unfortunately.
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby rkelsen » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:58 am

ammie7 wrote:I was telling my Dad, that those Speedwells are hard to find.

Not really. There's at least one on there every other week.
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby lilcuda » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:56 am

The popular was mine until a couple of weeks ago .

Buyer said he was going to turn it into his beach commuter .

What it looked like before

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=48775

To be honest if I knew he was just going to rip the rims off I probably wouldnt have sold it to him.
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby Torana68 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:25 am

lilcuda wrote:The popular was mine until a couple of weeks ago .Buyer said he was going to turn it into his beach commuter .What it looked like before
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=48775 To be honest if I knew he was just going to rip the rims off I probably wouldnt have sold it to him.

:cry: wonder if he still has the other bits
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby tedsbikes » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:37 pm

Maybe the ebay "Royal" is a Royal Superlite, or could be a Royal Olympic Track. The rear stays appear more upright, typical of a track bike. My 1938 Speedwell catalogue shows translucent green with cream as one of the colour schemes for both the Superlite and the Royal Olympic Track - this colour combo wasn't available on any other models - but only the Superlite had pump pegs on the seat tube. On the other hand the ebay "Royal" appears not to have a drilled bridge for a rear brake (it only has a front brake) BUT you could get it "equipped for the road with .......rear side pull brake..." Both were shown in the catalogue with the 3 pin chainwheel ( Williams??) - again this was only available on these 2 models.

Having said all that the Speedwell transfers are a later (1940s?) type than the 1938 variety, which had a much larger, and longer name in block letters (not slanted) which covered nearly half the downtube. Does anyone know when the later ( slanted) lettering came in?

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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby lilcuda » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:57 pm

Torana68 wrote:
lilcuda wrote:The popular was mine until a couple of weeks ago .Buyer said he was going to turn it into his beach commuter .What it looked like before
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=48775 To be honest if I knew he was just going to rip the rims off I probably wouldnt have sold it to him.

:cry: wonder if he still has the other bits


I inquired about getting it back but it seems it may already be sold .

Hopefully if it has its to someone on here who can put it back together , hopefully if they see this they can ask him about the rims , they may well be on the other bike .
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby Torana68 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:05 pm

Ted
I dont think its a Speedwell... its been repainted and not by Speedwell so the paint work is of no help if it were (nothing on there is a transfer, its all sprayed via stencills)
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby ammie7 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:00 pm

Yep! dad got that green bike. $$$$$. but he is adament it is identical (sans some paint), he scraped the garish yellow off and the `rebuilder`s mark. (A penrith bike shop in the 50`s), my dad is 79yrs young.
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby ammie7 » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:17 pm

Yes the the frame and forks were repainted. but only on all the lugs. The original paint is still on all the tubes, except the 50's ('Ross' Cycles, at Penrith.) repainted transferr. (very similar to other bike shops repainting marks from the fifties). After dad slowly scraped the the yellow off the the headstem, he was left with a royal cream (white) paint with a 'Grand black 'S' on the head stock. And the weight of the frame and forks is amazing, he has given them to his nephew to race Track. Whatever it is It is a speedwell. And the 'Popular" has been rebuilt, The last owner had no idea, the hubs had no bearings, and the bottom bracket had only 3 balls left either side. Will post a pic if anyone is interested.
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby lilcuda » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:19 am

The last owner of the Popular was myself who had acquired it from the original owner who bought it new .

The bike was left unrestored AND unridden waiting for a proper resto which I am glad has happened :) .
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby ammie7 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:25 pm

Do you know his name, or where he purchased the bike? The guy dad got it off rebuilt all the hubs and pedals, He just mocked up his Royal to get the attention. the 'Popular' is all complete again and admired daily.
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby lilcuda » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:53 pm

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Speedwell-Po ... 3f21c1cbca

Apparently selling an unrestored bike qualifies one as an idiot :P .
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby munga » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:43 pm

what a jerk.
pitty43 wrote:Thanks all for your help. Better change my Gumtree add now.

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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby Johnj » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:04 pm

lilcuda wrote:Apparently selling an unrestored bike qualifies one as an idiot :P


From memory the person currently selling on Fleabay bought from the person you sold to?

Nonetheless, poor form to insult the previous owner in an Evilbay ad.
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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby munga » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:39 pm

quick check on ebay says seller (burtruminski) bought the bike from lilcuda (blackchief74)
pitty43 wrote:Thanks all for your help. Better change my Gumtree add now.

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Re: Dad enquiry??

Postby lilcuda » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:08 pm

An appropriate assumption Johnj after reading the comments of the thread but Munga is correct , just goes to show something unusual in previous comments.

You would see in my original listing that the bike was listed as a project bike .
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