Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby MichaelB » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:15 am

I'll be tackling it for the 1st time in 2013 after threatening to do it this year.

I'm entered for the 140km for 2 reasons. The main one is that once the big hill is climbed (Mt Buffalo), then it's all downhill from there, and 2nd, it's the similar length (but not as steep) as one key climb I want to do in eurpoe in a couple of years - Passo de Stelvio.

Lastly, 6 - 7 hours in the saddle is long enough for me.

Who else is going and what length are you doing ?

Any hints/tips for the 140km ?

Any guide as to what the total climb distance is for the 140km ?

Thansk, and see ya there next year :D

Hoping to have my new bike ready to go for it too !!!
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby sblack » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:35 am

Hoping to do the 200, will be my first as well.

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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby grantw » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:58 am

Yes, I'm in for the 200 this year.

I road the 140 a few years back and it's the toughest of the shorter options imho. Think there's about 1700m on the 140km, maybe a bit more.
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby VRE » Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:12 pm

I did the 200 in 2011, and signed up for the upcoming 250 (gulp) :shock: .
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby chucknitro » Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:31 pm

Back to do the 250 :)
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby jules21 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:25 pm

250 again! hint: it's not much harder, if at all, than the 200
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby Semar » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:58 pm

First effort. Going for the 130 km. Feel like a wimp now after reading these. :oops: Maybe train up and see what happens.
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby MichaelB » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:30 am

grantw wrote:Yes, I'm in for the 200 this year.

I road the 140 a few years back and it's the toughest of the shorter options imho. Think there's about 1700m on the 140km, maybe a bit more.



Why is that ?
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby grantw » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:47 am

MichaelB wrote:
Why is that ?


Buffalo :)

Apart from being a little bit longer it's the timing. On the 140, once you're on Buffalo, you've already been up both sides of Tawonga and it can be getting quite warm. By comparison the 130 sees you through to Falls after only one side of Tawonga and in the relative cool of the morning.
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby MichaelB » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:31 am

OK. Makes sense. One other reason to do the 140 for me, was that once the big climb is done, its down hill from there :D

With the 130, to climb Tawonga after doing a big mountain seemed a hard slog.

I'll find out soon enough whether it was a smart move ......
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby grantw » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:51 am

They are both challenging rides to be sure. Though as you've said, its all downhill from the top of Buffalo, and the descent is great :D
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby __PG__ » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:39 pm

Am considering doing the 130km. It does seem that the harders part of the ride would be the last ascent of the Tawonga gap, as the initial road out of Mt Beauty is very steep with a few nasty hairpins.
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby jules21 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:47 pm

__PG__ wrote:Am considering doing the 130km. It does seem that the harders part of the ride would be the last ascent of the Tawonga gap, as the initial road out of Mt Beauty is very steep with a few nasty hairpins.

the last climb is always the hardest 8)
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby ausrandoman » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:48 am

MichaelB wrote:Any hints/tips for the 140km ?


My two cents worth.

Preparation
Include high intensity hill repeats in your training. Find a hill you can ride up in about 5 - 10 - 20 minutes. Ride up it fast, but don't strain against a gear that is too high. You should be panting for breath at the top. Coast down, repeat. Do however many repetitions add up to about 40 minutes of climbing. Do this twice a week. If your thighs aren't sore the next morning, you didn't try hard enough.

On the day
- Don't get carried away with enthusiasm on Tawonga Gap. Save your energy for Buffalo.
- Use the easy section from Tawonga Gap through Bright to the beginning of Buffalo as rest and recovery. You can eat, drink and recuperate on the bike while still covering ground so you can keep your stop in Bright short.
- Buffalo is hardest in the first half and for a short distance near the top.
- Enjoy the atmosphere at the Buffalo checkpoint, chatting to the people who overtook you on Tawonga Gap then couldn't keep up the pace. 8)
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby ausrandoman » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:55 am

I'm up for my fourth A.C.E. Last year, I was faster than than my second attempt, which was faster than my first. I'm wondering if my time last year was my limit or if I'm capable of shaving a little more off.

Being in my late fifties means that the day will soon come when I will be slower no matter how much I train.
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby sblack » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:28 am

ausrandoman wrote:Include high intensity hill repeats in your training. Find a hill you can ride up in about 5 - 10 - 20 minutes. Ride up it fast, but don't strain against a gear that is too high. You should be panting for breath at the top. Coast down, repeat. Do however many repetitions add up to about 40 minutes of climbing. Do this twice a week. If your thighs aren't sore the next morning, you didn't try hard enough.

Why not find a 40+ minute hill? The sustained effort of climbing without a break seams very different to me to doing short climbs with breaks in between to add up to the same length of climbing time.
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby jules21 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:27 am

last year i rode the ACE 250 without including much hill training. mistake. while i did some long rides - which are still necessary to get your body (and arse) used to being in the saddle for a long time - they don't replicate the intensity of hill climbing. the minute i hit Hotham with the bunch, they all left me behind as i wondered how they could push that hard so early on. i caught people later on, but i was lacking in that ability to push out decent power without going into the red. of course, a lot of those guys would have just been faster than me, full stop.

ausrandoman - that's impressive! (if it needed to be said)
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby ausrandoman » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:14 pm

sblack wrote:
ausrandoman wrote:Include high intensity hill repeats in your training. Find a hill you can ride up in about 5 - 10 - 20 minutes. Ride up it fast, but don't strain against a gear that is too high. You should be panting for breath at the top. Coast down, repeat. Do however many repetitions add up to about 40 minutes of climbing. Do this twice a week. If your thighs aren't sore the next morning, you didn't try hard enough.

Why not find a 40+ minute hill? The sustained effort of climbing without a break seams very different to me to doing short climbs with breaks in between to add up to the same length of climbing time.




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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby ausrandoman » Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:11 pm

jules21 wrote:last year i rode the ACE 250 without including much hill training. mistake. while i did some long rides - which are still necessary to get your body (and arse) used to being in the saddle for a long time - they don't replicate the intensity of hill climbing. the minute i hit Hotham with the bunch, they all left me behind as i wondered how they could push that hard so early on. i caught people later on, but i was lacking in that ability to push out decent power without going into the red. of course, a lot of those guys would have just been faster than me, full stop.

ausrandoman - that's impressive! (if it needed to be said)


Well .... thanks .... but I didn't say what my time was :lol: Let's just say it was .... ah .... not so impressive :lol:
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby jules21 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:27 pm

ausrandoman wrote:Well .... thanks .... but I didn't say what my time was :lol: Let's just say it was .... ah .... not so impressive :lol:

honestly i'd be thrilled if i could still put away 250km rides as i move into my 50s.. that's the goal, anyway :)
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby oldnewby » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:54 pm

after much enouragement and words of wisdom, from people like Jules21 et al, I did the 130km this year. After doing a lot of other organised rides during this year, I can still say the Audax Alpine 130km is my favourite to date. The satisfaction of climbing Falls Creek, and finishing the 130 within the time limit, after only taking up riding a couple of months prior, was amazing. Great volunteers, awesome sense of camaraderie on the road, and lovely facilities (mostly cold beer...) afterwards.
I'm (rather ambitiously) thinking of tackling 200km this time around. If I get a few mates along, I may change back to 130 or 140, but I'll be there regardless.
To those asking for advice from folks who've done these rides before... take it on board. The better prepared you are, the more enjoyable it will be.
I'm already looking forward to it - whichever distance I end up doing.

PS - 250km is on the wishlist, but not just yet :)
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby jules21 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:26 am

hey oldnewby - that's a fantastic achievement to finish the 130km after only taking up riding shortly beforehand. my advice - go for the 200km! you only live once, it's a great sense of achievement. but the 130 and 140 are both great rides, so do what feels good.

i just signed up for he 250 again. can't wait! :)
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby VRE » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:00 am

jules21 wrote:hey oldnewby - that's a fantastic achievement to finish the 130km after only taking up riding shortly beforehand. my advice - go for the 200km! you only live once, it's a great sense of achievement. but the 130 and 140 are both great rides, so do what feels good.

i just signed up for he 250 again. can't wait! :)

Me too :) . I did the 200 in Jan 2011, and I've been living in Ringwood North the last year and so have ridden plenty of hills. I also bought my first road bike recently, which will make the 250 a bit easier. I'm also partway through the 7 Peaks Challenge, as part of my ACE 250 preparation.
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby oldnewby » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:13 am

Cheers jules, you were a big help with advice and encouragement when I did the 130. I booked my ticket for the 200 a couple of days ago, so I'm in :) can't wait!
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Re: Alpine Audax 2013 - so who's in ?

Postby MichaelB » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:07 am

I'll hopefully see you all there.

Not sure what bike I'm riding yet, but will probably be in my blue BNA jersey.

Hopefully, the heat stays away fro the Buffalo ascent at the end !!!
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