Dura-Ace Di2 9070, Take that Campy EPS!

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Re: Dura-Ace Di2 9070, Take that Campy EPS!

Postby open roader » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:06 pm

TDC wrote:are you for real? :roll:


He is for real..........
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Re: Dura-Ace Di2 9070, Take that Campy EPS!

Postby Parrott » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:47 pm

Deusirae wrote:
The posts in this thread don't seem to understand that Campagnolo EPS buyers could not care less what Shimano has done or will do. They are buying Campagnolo EPS because it has the Campagnolo imprimatur on it. Nothing else will suffice and nothing else is necessary.


I doubt they would be in a position to buy EPS if it were not for the existence of Di2 :|

Shimano's innovation may continue to influence what Campag do in the future, so I would argue that they should pay attention to what Shimano has done and will do :twisted:
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Re: Dura-Ace Di2 9070, Take that Campy EPS!

Postby wombatK » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:09 pm

jasonc wrote:
Ross wrote:Obviously for commuters and tourers, haven't seen any in real life though. Most commuters/tourers seem more budget concious than your average roadie and don't seem to succumb to "upgraditis" as much so it would be interesting to see how many Di2 Alfine hubs are sold (either in Australia or worldwide).


don't worry - commuters get upgraditis too, but yes, we are more budget conscious. Currently more interested in the road bike/disc brake trend than electronic gear changes.

What if the electronic Alfine did away with the shift cable connection to the hub - i.e. used a wireless connection or a commutator
to get the signal on board the hub ? That would make wheel or tyre changes a whole lot easier, and remove a significant disadvantage of hub gears. It's difficult to see from press photos, but the prototype might have achieved that... see pics http://road.cc/content/news/53529-shima ... alfine-di2 .

Alfine hub gears are so easy to change, you could hardly imagine it would be worth the expense - but if volume production gets
the expense down in a few years, you can see the market giving simpler wheel changes a big tick.
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Re: Dura-Ace Di2 9070, Take that Campy EPS!

Postby TDC » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:20 pm

open roader wrote:
TDC wrote:are you for real? :roll:


He is for real..........


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Re: Dura-Ace Di2 9070, Take that Campy EPS!

Postby Daccordi Rider » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:07 pm

Parrott wrote:
Deusirae wrote:
The posts in this thread don't seem to understand that Campagnolo EPS buyers could not care less what Shimano has done or will do. They are buying Campagnolo EPS because it has the Campagnolo imprimatur on it. Nothing else will suffice and nothing else is necessary.


I doubt they would be in a position to buy EPS if it were not for the existence of Di2 :|

Shimano's innovation may continue to influence what Campag do in the future, so I would argue that they should pay attention to what Shimano has done and will do :twisted:


In fairness Campag have got a march on quite a bit over the years.
Electronic - started work on it decades ago, just took a while to perfect it and get it out there. :lol:
11sp
Getting gear cables running along the handlebars so the bike does not look like it is a clothes line. :twisted:

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Re: Dura-Ace Di2 9070, Take that Campy EPS!

Postby Marty Moose » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:38 pm

Looks good I held out on a new bike this year waiting for this :) :) Just hope my C24's are still use able :)

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Re: Dura-Ace Di2 9070, Take that Campy EPS!

Postby Sven Nijs » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:34 pm

Marty Moose wrote:Just hope my C24's are still use able :) MM

From all I've read, no they're not. Sell them now....
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Re: Dura-Ace Di2 9070, Take that Campy EPS!

Postby Ross » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:27 am

10spd C24s will take a 11spd cassette but the 11spd ones won't take a 10spd cassette
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Re: Dura-Ace Di2 9070, Take that Campy EPS!

Postby Sven Nijs » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:00 am

Ross wrote:10spd C24s will take a 11spd cassette but the 11spd ones won't take a 10spd cassette

Sorry but you have that the wrong way round Ross.
The new C24 (with 11spd freehub) will accept a 10spd cassette with addition of a spacer to fill the gap. Old C24s haven't got a 'long' enough freehub to take the increased width of the 11spd cassette.
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Re: Dura-Ace Di2 9070, Take that Campy EPS!

Postby Ross » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:36 am

Yes you are correct, Sven Nijs. I was still half asleep when I posted that! :?
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Re: Dura-Ace Di2 9070, Take that Campy EPS!

Postby Hux » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:06 pm

It's great to see another 11sp groupo on the market.

I haven't lived with Campy but would like to try it but OTOH am very happy with my 7900.

I am not fixed in either camp - I would take either.
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Re: Dura-Ace Di2 9070, Take that Campy EPS!

Postby Sven Nijs » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:34 am

It's a bit warmer here than Scotland isn't it!
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Re: Dura-Ace Di2 9070, Take that Campy EPS!

Postby jacks1071 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:31 am

Ross wrote:
jcjordan wrote:Well it looks like this Shimano fan will be going SRAM on the next bike.
4 sets of wheels that would be useless on the new bike, no thanks.


So what happens when SRAM go to 11 speed or make their own Di2/EPS? :twisted:


If they do what Campy did and run a narrower chain, he can most likely just swap his freehubs. If they stick with Shimano standard, then new wheels could be on the table. Some wheels can goto 11sp Shimano with a freehub change.
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