cough after big efforts
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cough after big efforts
Postby boss » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:18 am
I've noticed after doing big efforts, I get a nagging cough. I don't experience tightness of the chest, still able to push quite hard, it's just annoying.
Best described as a scratch in the throat but it doesn't go away for hours.
Does anyone else experience anything similar?
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby Crittski » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:19 am
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby winstonw » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:29 am
When the rear wall of the pharynx and trachea are relatively dry, cough receptors are more easily irritated by the passing of air and small particles, and even taking deeper breaths. Your first step could be to adequately hydrate before getting on the bicycle.
As an experiment, drink 500mls of electrolyte an hour before riding, and same again 10-15 minutes before.
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby boss » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:38 am
This morning was quite warm (30 degrees (AT) 6am) and I didn't quite get a litre of water down over two hours.
So I suspect underhydration. I'll try the same ride with the same intensity next week and drink up, get some Gatorade powder or something too.
The odd thing about it is that I did a pretty tough ride on Tuesday (different route, but comparable climbs and intensity) and can't recall coughing up badly afterwards. It was 12 degrees cooler, though.
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby Apple » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:39 am
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby skull » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:54 am
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby winstonw » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:56 am
Yeah, you mightn't have sweated as much on the cooler day....or shunted as much blood to the skin to keep yourself cool.jimboss wrote:The odd thing about it is that I did a pretty tough ride on Tuesday (different route, but comparable climbs and intensity) and can't recall coughing up badly afterwards. It was 12 degrees cooler, though.
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby boss » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:51 am
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby Marty Moose » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:11 am
Good advice the electrolyte comment is important not just water. If you want just water try a magnesium supplement.winstonw wrote:Might also be under hydration.
When the rear wall of the pharynx and trachea are relatively dry, cough receptors are more easily irritated by the passing of air and small particles, and even taking deeper breaths. Your first step could be to adequately hydrate before getting on the bicycle.
As an experiment, drink 500mls of electrolyte an hour before riding, and same again 10-15 minutes before.
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby winstonw » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:14 am
Something to discuss with your doc is his insight into growing evidence exercise induced asthma is caused by repetitive bouts of dehydration during exercise. Repetitive dehydration can lead to hyper-reactive bronchial smooth muscle, damage to the cells lining the airways, and associated scarring.jimboss wrote:I took a pee just earlier and it wasn't super yellow but it wasn't clear either. Will work on hydration next week, if it recurs then it's a visit to the doc. I'm still on the easy side of 30 but would like to get in the habit of yearly checkups.
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Re: cough after big efforts
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby JBark » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:20 pm
Added bonus, keeps my teeth from knocking together when I hit an unexpected nasty bump.
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Re: cough after big efforts
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby just4tehhalibut » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:51 am
Another bonus is that it keeps the mouth shut, you lose less moisture. Surprising how hard it is to keep your mouth shut even when riding in the heat of Summer.JBark wrote:I used to get an annoying cough when exercising hard .... simple fix for me is chewing gum when I run or ride
Edit: Or is that just me?
It may not always be simply exercise induced asthma or dry throat causing these symptoms, if you have chest or back injuries this can lend to breathing or recovery issues.
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Re: cough after big efforts
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby clydesmcdale » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:02 am
These days, when riding, I get more of the exercise induced asthma if I put in a long sustained effort. Had it for a couple of days after the B2GC 100km ride which I did alot faster than I expected. Only really shows up an hour or two after finishing. It goes away with a bit of rest and in my experience not too much to be worried about.
There's probably breathing techniques/exercises that can be employed to reduce the effects, but I haven't bothered with it as it's so infrequent.
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby g-boaf » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:22 am
But it only happens after I've put in a really big effort for a long time and I'm at the point where I'm totally exhausted. I'm like that for a minute or two and then okay after that.
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby boss » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:45 am
Overall intensity was the same, but I didn't have a short lungbuster climb like I ride on Thursdays.
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby gorilla monsoon » Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:40 pm
Salt is sodium-based. Take magnesium tablets.Marty Moose wrote:My experience with docs is prendnisolone most have been useless. I was diagnosed with this by a dietitian who heard my cough. I now put salt on my food and take magnesium cough gone.
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby boss » Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:03 pm
This Thursday will be the moment of truth, though. Once a week I have a crack at a 500m long, 20% grade that really gets the heart and lungs working. It's this climb that I reckon gets my cough going, but at the same time, I don't often drink much before it. So will see how I go.
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby Marty Moose » Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:13 pm
Did you miss the last sentence, are you saying sodium is not important??gorilla monsoon wrote:Salt is sodium-based. Take magnesium tablets.Marty Moose wrote:My experience with docs is prendnisolone most have been useless. I was diagnosed with this by a dietitian who heard my cough. I now put salt on my food and take magnesium cough gone.
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby winstonw » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:39 pm
Pro teams favor electrolyte that emulates the concentrations of sweat.
Below is a typical profile of sweat.
Electrolyte mg/L
sodium 800
potassium 150
calcium 25
magnesium 12
zinc 0.6
The last I looked, no Endura product comes close to this formulation, and Endura have never responded to my multiple requests for scientific papers validating their formulae.
Research Allen Lim, the cycling physiologist behind SkratchLabs electrolyte.
http://www.skratchlabs.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
JimBoss, it seems you're revealing more information now! What do you mean you were "crook" the day before? And 500m of 20% is a tough gig.
I alluded earlier that dehydration can unmask or trigger EIA, however it can also irritate prior scarring of the airways. Scarring from what? dehydration, and over-exercising esp in the presence of a respiratory tract infection. IMO, the diagnosis of EIA is still confounded by irritation of airways previously scarred by infections and exercise while dehydrated. A GP really has to be rigorous to discriminate.
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby boss » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:12 pm
Sorry, I meant I was crook yesterday, which meant today I had lead filled legs while climbing. I wasn't crook before any coughing issues.winstonw wrote: JimBoss, it seems you're revealing more information now! What do you mean you were "crook" the day before? And 500m of 20% is a tough gig.
I alluded earlier that dehydration can unmask or trigger EIA, however it can also irritate prior scarring of the airways. Scarring from what? dehydration, and over-exercising esp in the presence of a respiratory tract infection. IMO, the diagnosis of EIA is still confounded by irritation of airways previously scarred by infections and exercise while dehydrated. A GP really has to be rigorous to discriminate.
Not wrong about that climb being tough. It's a good one. From memory it's the trigger for coughing - and quite hard on my lungs. While there are several efforts I regularly do that have me holding close to HRMax for a few minutes (some near on ten), this is the only one that really takes my cardio to task. And it only lasts 3-ish minutes!
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Re: cough after big efforts
Postby g-boaf » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:14 am
Allen Lim is also the physiologist for Slipstream Sports (aka Garmin Sharp). I didn't realise he had his own line of electrolyte products.winstonw wrote:The last I looked, no Endura product comes close to this formulation, and Endura have never responded to my multiple requests for scientific papers validating their formulae.
Research Allen Lim, the cycling physiologist behind SkratchLabs electrolyte.
http://www.skratchlabs.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I've tried Endura myself - I didn't find it that effective. But I have found that a few of these energy supplements or gels upset my stomach.
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