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Postby usernameforme » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:37 pm
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby r2160 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:05 pm
That way, we would end up with real world opinions and that would eliminate what different people think of different things.
How does that sound?
We could try them in training situations and racing situations as well. I have a set of Fulcrum 5 Evo's that I will donate to the test if you like.
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby AUbicycles » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:38 pm
Still waiting to hear back on my emails before starting to invest serious time.
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby Magpie » Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:19 pm
"The way I see it if farsport think their wheels are good value/superior product then they should foot the bill for the testing. This includes buying the wheelsets you want in the comparison. And then publishing the results without moderation, if it is shown that farsports make an inferior product"
Can't see the logic in this ?
I dought there's any accepted objective tests to ISO standards that can be done by an independant NATA registered testing authority,
It's a wasted disscussion full of unfounded opinions
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby wombatK » Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:30 pm
Exactly. Testing persons need to be independent, and to have some reasonable professional standards to uphold.JustJames wrote:I would not trust such a test's results, no matter which manufacturer ran it.Baldy wrote:...
The way I see it if farsport think their wheels are good value/superior product then they should foot the bill for the testing. This includes buying the wheelsets you want in the comparison. And then publishing the results without moderation, if it is shown that farsports make an inferior product.
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Vested interests?
As a suggestion, it might be worth contacting the mechanical engineering school at local universities. It could be an interesting project/learning exercise for final-year under-graduates to research testing methods and conduct such testing. They are often looking for people in industry to suggest good topics.
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby fixedlegs2012 » Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:02 am
However FarSports do have a good rep!!
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby wombatK » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:20 am
In view of the scandalous EPO/LA era, the UCI brand has zero credibility. As Lance demonstrated,fixedlegs2012 wrote:To be fair only real world testing is done by UCI standard
they are easily and cheaply bought.
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby Mulger bill » Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:32 pm
My thoughts too but if we ignore that, what sort of testing would be recommended? What sort of testing would a rider as opposed to a scientist think important? Truth and hub drag are two things I look at without conscious thought whenever I look at a wheel but there's got to be more that could be done without a dedicated lab. How could impacts tests be reliably repeated?wombatK wrote:In view of the scandalous EPO/LA era, the UCI brand has zero credibility. As Lance demonstrated,fixedlegs2012 wrote:To be fair only real world testing is done by UCI standard
they are easily and cheaply bought.
Sorry, just thinking aloud. I like to tinker...
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby high_tea » Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:46 pm
How even the spoke tension is. Maybe lateral stiffness, but I dunno how easy that is. Easier than getting the wheels into a wind tunnel, I'd imagine...Mulger bill wrote:My thoughts too but if we ignore that, what sort of testing would be recommended? What sort of testing would a rider as opposed to a scientist think important? Truth and hub drag are two things I look at without conscious thought whenever I look at a wheel but there's got to be more that could be done without a dedicated lab. How could impacts tests be reliably repeated?wombatK wrote:In view of the scandalous EPO/LA era, the UCI brand has zero credibility. As Lance demonstrated,fixedlegs2012 wrote:To be fair only real world testing is done by UCI standard
they are easily and cheaply bought.
Sorry, just thinking aloud. I like to tinker...
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby greyhoundtom » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:22 pm
I still think the idea of sending a set of wheels to toolonglegs is the best way to achieve that.Real world impact testing
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby usernameforme » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:30 pm
IIRC, Tour (or one of those magazines) did a similar test and they did it stationary.Mulger bill wrote:turning or stationary?
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby jacks1071 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:50 pm
The testing is not done by the UCI - I already told everyone where the testing is done.wombatK wrote:In view of the scandalous EPO/LA era, the UCI brand has zero credibility. As Lance demonstrated,fixedlegs2012 wrote:To be fair only real world testing is done by UCI standard
they are easily and cheaply bought.
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Postby jacks1071 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:52 pm
If he lived here I'd be posting him all sorts of gear to test! I have some similiar guys who "break everything" that I do use regularly with new products just to satisfy myselfgreyhoundtom wrote:I still think the idea of sending a set of wheels to toolonglegs is the best way to achieve that.Real world impact testing
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby BenevolantDictatorD » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:49 pm
For those who profess to know - how does the hub compare - etc
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby jasonc » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:53 pm
you could have some minimum requirements for the amount of kms. it's also going to depend on type of riding. e.g. commuting, racing, weekend coffee shop rides etc, type of tyres run. the geometry of the bike may also make a difference.BenevolantDictatorD wrote:What about anyone who has a set of these giving us some feedback - I'm inclined to risk the money on an unknown but wouldn't want it to be falling apart under me - so if anyone has views on the quality of the wheel they have ridden I would be interested.
For those who profess to know - how does the hub compare - etc
i've got 5 sets of wheels for 2 bikes (2 sets deon would be happy with). all for different purposes. haven't run all on both bikes. so couldn't comment how they all went on the one bike. they also all have different tyres (brands and types)
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby winstonw » Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:56 pm
Done.....http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/viewt ... it=chineseBenevolantDictatorD wrote:What about anyone who has a set of these giving us some feedback - I'm inclined to risk the money on an unknown but wouldn't want it to be falling apart under me - so if anyone has views on the quality of the wheel they have ridden I would be interested.
For those who profess to know - how does the hub compare - etc
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby winstonw » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:00 pm
And something tells me Farsports will now pursue UCI testing and approval.jacks1071 wrote:The testing is not done by the UCI - I already told everyone where the testing is done.
A much bigger step towards credibility.
And they'll sit back and let bicycle forums do what they do best.
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby jacks1071 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:05 pm
For sure it'll give them cred. Thats if they they pass the test which is not safe to assume.winstonw wrote:And something tells me Farsports will now pursue UCI testing and approval.jacks1071 wrote:The testing is not done by the UCI - I already told everyone where the testing is done.
A much bigger step towards credibility.
And they'll sit back and let bicycle forums do what they do best.
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby jacks1071 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:29 pm
Yeah for sure since everything that comes out of China is top quality.dale79 wrote:plenty of china carbon wheels have passed so shouldnt be a problem..
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby bardygrub » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:48 am
Hi Ben,Ben82 wrote:Ok i'll chime in here! Recieved my Farsports 50mm carbon clinchers last week and they are absolutly flawless. I am using these as race wheels and have wrapped them with gp4000's. I'm not very qualified to comment performance as i've not ridden to many differnt wheels in my time, but they roll nice and helped me to my maiden 'D' grade win on the weekend. Lets see how they go in 'C' grade
What hubs did you go for?
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby Xplora » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:36 am
There you go. The results speak for themselves... RACE PROVEN FARSPORTS CARBON TAKES BEN82 TO VICTORYBen82 wrote: helped me to my maiden 'D' grade win on the weekend.
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Re: Farsport Carbon Wheels
Postby MarkG » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:17 am
Ben, I would like to see how they go after several months - not saying that they're going to fail or anything of that nature, all I do know however is that quality wheels cost a pretty dime, but they do last a damn long time. Case in point - my Fulcrum Zeros - cost over 2k when I bought them a couple of years ago, and they're still going flawlessly.Ben82 wrote:Ok i'll chime in here! Recieved my Farsports 50mm carbon clinchers last week and they are absolutly flawless. I am using these as race wheels and have wrapped them with gp4000's. I'm not very qualified to comment performance as i've not ridden to many differnt wheels in my time, but they roll nice and helped me to my maiden 'D' grade win on the weekend. Lets see how they go in 'C' grade
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