Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby Dr_Mutley » Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:43 am

The new S5s and R3/5s use PressFit30 bottom brackets, which on a quick glance look to be too hard to replace or tinker with, with equipment being costly and prohibitive.

Ive recently had to replace my bottom bracket a few times, so i thought i would put up a quick guide on what to buy, and how to do it...
Theres alot of good info on the nuances of doing this job, or fixing creaking PF30 BBs over on the cervelo forum... so much of the credit for this needs to go to the guys over there....

Removal of PF30 BB Cups:
DO NOT BUY ANY OTHER TOOL BUT THIS!
http://www.parktool.com/product/bottom- ... 0-bbt-30-3

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The important aspect of buying this removal tool from Park Tool as it comes with 2 bushings that allow u to make an inexpensive press out of some threaded rod.

Other tools required:
Hammer
Adjustable spanner
Loctite Primer 7649 (Primer N) and Loctite 609 (if you want to loctite the cups into the shell to reduce creaking)
Threaded rod/nuts/washes for pressing in new PF30 cups/bearings (as outlined below) - Cost: 5/8 threaded rod from Bunnings $7; 4 nuts & 2 large washes $3.



Installation:

All is contained here in the following link. Ive added a couple of my own pics to show any idiot can do it. If you wish to loctite the cups in, spray the loctite N primer on the BB shell, put loctite 609 bearing retaining compound on the cups and press them in with your threaded rod and bushings
JOB DONE!! :)

http://m.pinkbike.com/news/Tech-Tuesday ... -2012.html

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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby warthog1 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:29 pm

Fantastic Dr Mutley. Thanks heaps, my bits are on the way :)
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby warthog1 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:45 pm

Here is a pictorial story of a mugs attempt at bbright bottom bracket replacement

The creak meister in all its glory, probably shivering in fear at the sight of me and tools in close proximity

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about to have a go at the non-drive side bearing. I reckon the bike is really scared now. I was a bit anyway. Hoping the bloody things would come out easily enough.

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about to do the drive side bearing

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The bearings came out fairly easily with some firm taps with that dead blow hammer in the earlier photo.
You can see the new sram bearing has a nice rubber seal that the old fsa goer did not. Hopefully they will be creak free and will last a while :)

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Loctite and alcohol wipes used to clean up the surfaces prior to installation

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A couple of photos of the bearings installed courtesy of the Dr Mutley bbright bearing installer (patent pending)

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The drive side bearing went in a bit tighter than the non drive side and was a bit noisy as it slowly seated itself. I tightened it up until the lips of both cups were flush with the frame. I managed to resist using my normal torque setting of strip the thread and then back it off half a turn :oops:
I'll leave the press insitu until tomorrow and then install the cranks again.

Many thanks to Dr Mutley the ACF Cervelo guru :D
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby warthog1 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:47 pm

left the bearing installer on for a couple of days as I've just had a couple of night shifts :x
Crank set back on today and success :D
Back to being a normal Cervelo- stiff,fast and silent 8)
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby Nobody » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:47 pm

warthog1 wrote:Loctite and alcohol wipes used to clean up the surfaces prior to installation

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I'm glad the install went well, but have you given any thought to how you are going to remove the bearings next time? Usually when Loctite says "High strength" they mean it. High strength usually means can't be removed with hand tools. I'm intrigued by this and hope someone has a good answer. I know I'm not the biggest fan of either carbon or press fit (too pragmatic for either) but I still hope a solution is available. Has anyone done this process twice yet?
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby warthog1 » Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:41 am

I asked the question on the cervelo forum and some have but yes well spotted that bit is a bit scary.
There's always the risk of it getting run over by the car if it won't come out I guess. :o
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby warthog1 » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:37 am

It should be fine. I've removed loctite'd cups before and they come just as easy as the non-loctited ones. The loctite is just a gap filler that keeps the cup from rotating in the shell. One thing you can do though to ease the removal is to warm up the loctite with a hair dryer prior to removal. This will soften up the loctite. DON'T use anything hotter than that that though as you might damage the finish on your frame. Make sure to clean off all the old stuff before installing the new. Good Luck!

From http://forums.cervelo.com/forums/t/9738.aspx?PageIndex=2
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby Dr_Mutley » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:22 pm

I've removed mine after being loctited in with 609 & primer, and they came out easily, without much more force with the hammer. So nothing to worry about there... Next time I take my BB out I'm just going to use some DuraAce grease to refit, and compare.
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby Nobody » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:32 pm

Interesting. Thanks.

Threaded versions of the newer standards seems like a good idea to me. The press fit standards obviously aren't as trouble free in many cases. Fortunately for me, I can't see any major problem with 24mm steel spindles and standard external bearings.
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby Dr_Mutley » Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:34 pm

I tend to agree, carbon press fit shells are obviously much lighter, but for the added hassle they sometimes can present, I much prefer my older threaded shells...
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby warthog1 » Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:34 pm

The external threaded cups are easier but don't don't allow the bottom bracket area of the frame to be physically as large. The S5 certainly is stiff and the large bottom bracket probably has a bit to do with it.
I managed to work out how to change external cups myself but couldn't have done these without several pm's from Dr Mutley.
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby Nobody » Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:43 pm

Sorry, should have been more clear. What I meant was if you made standards like BBright and BB386 threaded instead of press fit, they would be more reliable. Having to be glue fitted rather than just press fitted is a failure on the part of manufacturer(s) and/or standard IMO.
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby warthog1 » Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:51 pm

How do you thread them in or out though? When the bearing is on the outside. Maybe some sort of pin tool or something. I'm no engineer, maybe there's a patent in there for you Nobody.

Edit: well that is one of my stupider posts. Derrrr maybe like the square taper bottom bracket was screwed in. FFS thanks for being polite to the idiot Nobody :lol:
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby Nobody » Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:27 pm

I don't know of any regulars on these forums I'd class as idiots, just a few who act that way occasionally. You, however aren't one of them. :)

My point is if they can make a BSA to 30mm spindle adaptor, they can certainly make a press-fit frame shell a little larger and make the bearing shells screw (all the way) in instead. However, now the press-fit "horse has bolted", the manufacturers/designers are unlikely to go back to screw-in designs as they might add a few grams. :roll: Which makes me wonder where the weight-at-all-costs philosophy will lead the cycling industry for racing bikes next.
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby warthog1 » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:39 pm

I would happily wear the extra 50 grams weight for the added convenience of a screw in bbright bb. If weight saving is the reason for press fit then that is weight weenyism gone mad. :x . Particularly when the bike has to weigh at least 6.8kg anyway
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby ldrcycles » Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:10 am

Old thread I know but just my 2 bobs worth, my work uses 609 on bearings when rebuilding pool pump motors and there's no trouble getting them out later.
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Re: Essential Bottom Bracket tools for Cevelo BBright Frames

Postby cyclotaur » Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:15 am

Dr_Mutley wrote:I've removed mine after being loctited in with 609 & primer, and they came out easily, without much more force with the hammer. So nothing to worry about there... Next time I take my BB out I'm just going to use some DuraAce grease to refit, and compare.

I was told by a quality bike repairer that he never uses locktite on any bearings.

My own experience is that most creaks are eliminated by just removing the cranks and cleaning everything thoroughly, and that when the bearings are actually shot you'll know all about it. That is, it won't just be a little creaking .... mine were suddenly screeching like a banshee, going from a small creak on one ride to the full catastrophe on the next.

Only needed to change the bearings once in over 20,000kms so far.
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