Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby Andrew09 » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:57 pm
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby find_bruce » Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:09 pm
Not sure what it has to do with this topic Andrew, but while you are close, it is not quite so straight forward - you can be dui on a bicycle (s12 Road Transport (Safety & Traffic Management) Act) but breath testing (s 13) & prescribed concentration of alcohol offences (s9) only apply to drivers of motor vehicles.Andrew09 wrote:Cyclists can be subjected to breath tests here in NSW. The bike is considered a vehicle , but not a registerable one. You can even be breath tested whilst riding a horse in a public area if it can be deemed you are under the influence. Just don't attract attention to yourself and you won't get pulled over. How hard can it be?
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby human909 » Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:13 pm
What law are you basing that on?Andrew09 wrote:Cyclists can be subjected to breath tests here in NSW. The bike is considered a vehicle , but not a registerable one. You can even be breath tested whilst riding a horse in a public area if it can be deemed you are under the influence. Just don't attract attention to yourself and you won't get pulled over. How hard can it be?
ROAD TRANSPORT (SAFETY AND TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT) ACT 1999
- As at 22 November 2012
1) A police officer may require a person to undergo a breath test in accordance with the officer’s directions if the officer has reasonable cause to believe that the person:
(a) is or was driving a motor vehicle on a road or road related area, or
(b) is or was occupying the driving seat of a motor vehicle on a road or road related area and attempting to put the motor vehicle in motion, or
(c) being the holder of a driver licence, is or was occupying the seat in a motor vehicle next to a holder of a learner licence while the holder of the learner licence is or was driving the vehicle on a road or road related area.
"motor vehicle" means a vehicle that is built to be propelled by a motor that forms part of the vehicle.
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby skull » Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:50 pm
Not DUI.
It has always been like that.
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby il padrone » Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:55 pm
However I would argue strenuously that my bicycle is not a carriage. Carriages are towed by locomotives or horses.
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby find_bruce » Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:05 pm
While 0.05 for motor vehicle drivers is now a national standard, the laws are not part of the national road rules and the detail of the law varies across the states & territories.
Like I said in NSW s13 (set out by human909) no breath testing of cyclists, yes to DUI
12 Use or attempted use of a vehicle under the influence of alcohol or any other drug
(1) A person must not, while under the influence of alcohol or any other drug:
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Postby Ross » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:17 pm
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby The 2nd Womble » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:21 pm
Symantics. Not maybe the most modern use of the word but still most likely applicable given our antiquated legal system.il padrone wrote:'Drunk in charge of a carriage'.
However I would argue strenuously that my bicycle is not a carriage. Carriages are towed by locomotives or horses.
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby kunalraiker » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:05 pm
There are quite a few cyclist out there that are (excuse my french) nuisance on the road.
They are extremely intimidating and their riding in packs makes it worse.
I have seen quite a few instances of cycle road rage around the dockland area where I drive through everyday.
I like riding, but am extremely safe, after all the roads are for cars, we are just visiting!
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby VRE » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:30 pm
Not true: the roads are for various types of [un]motorised vehicles. Unfortunately, we live in a car-dominated country, but it doesn't change the fact that cyclists have an equal right to motorists to use the roads.kunalraiker wrote:... the roads are for cars, we are just visiting!
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby jules21 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:56 pm
kunalraiker wrote:I like riding, but am extremely safe, after all the roads are for cars, we are just visiting!
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby boss » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:01 pm
Yeah I agree, cyclists aren't just 'visitors' and we have every right to be there.VRE wrote:Not true: the roads are for various types of [un]motorised vehicles. Unfortunately, we live in a car-dominated country, but it doesn't change the fact that cyclists have an equal right to motorists to use the roads.kunalraiker wrote:... the roads are for cars, we are just visiting!
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby greyhoundtom » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:06 pm
I'm absolutely stunned that someone could actually believe that bit of blatantly wrong and ignorant propaganda sprouted by motorists.kunalraiker wrote: ....................................... after all the roads are for cars, we are just visiting!
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby kunalraiker » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:07 pm
Not until we pay any road tax, no we don't.jimboss wrote:Yeah I agree, cyclists aren't just 'visitors' and we have every right to be there.VRE wrote:Not true: the roads are for various types of [un]motorised vehicles. Unfortunately, we live in a car-dominated country, but it doesn't change the fact that cyclists have an equal right to motorists to use the roads.kunalraiker wrote:... the roads are for cars, we are just visiting!
Also to add, roads were made for cars and that's that.Its a privilege that we get to ride on the roads, I thank every car that doesn't knock me off.
As a rider I much prefer the bike paths, as one they are safe and secondly that's where we belong.
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby greyhoundtom » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:12 pm
Not the old Rego bulldust argument again....................kunalraiker wrote: Not until we pay any road tax, no we don't.
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby kunalraiker » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:19 pm
Nope, no argument there, also please watch your tone- we are all gentlemen here!greyhoundtom wrote:Not the old Rego bulldust argument again....................kunalraiker wrote: Not until we pay any road tax, no we don't.
All I'am trying to say is,there is already enough nuisance as a result of cars being in-correctly parked on road, sometimes in clearway zone.
The poor drivers are not left with much, imagine his horror when he's trying to squeeze his/her car in between a parked vehicle and one in front of him trying to urn right in rush hour and all of a sudden a school of "cyclist" start flowing through.
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby il padrone » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:43 pm
The 2nd Womble wrote:Symantics.il padrone wrote:'Drunk in charge of a carriage'.
However I would argue strenuously that my bicycle is not a carriage. Carriages are towed by locomotives or horses.
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"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby boss » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:47 pm
I pay two rego fees - own two cars. Majority of cyclists own a car, too. I also pay my taxes.kunalraiker wrote:Nope, no argument there, also please watch your tone- we are all gentlemen here!greyhoundtom wrote:Not the old Rego bulldust argument again....................kunalraiker wrote: Not until we pay any road tax, no we don't.
All I'am trying to say is,there is already enough nuisance as a result of cars being in-correctly parked on road, sometimes in clearway zone.
The poor drivers are not left with much, imagine his horror when he's trying to squeeze his/her car in between a parked vehicle and one in front of him trying to urn right in rush hour and all of a sudden a school of "cyclist" start flowing through.
Stop trolling.
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby il padrone » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:53 pm
Yes, I pay my taxes (income tax, GST, stamp duty) and each of these goes towards funding roads, as well as all other government services. So as that's done, I'll go off and use the roads thank you. BTW, there is no 'road tax'.kunalraiker wrote:Not until we pay any road tax, no we don't.jimboss wrote: Yeah I agree, cyclists aren't just 'visitors' and we have every right to be there.
Utter tosh!kunalraiker wrote:Also to add, roads were made for cars and that's that.Its a privilege that we get to ride on the roads, I thank every car that doesn't knock me off.
As a rider I much prefer the bike paths, as one they are safe and secondly that's where we belong.
Roads are built for road vehicles - this includes bicycles. Check your road rules. As for bike paths, you can use them, I choose not too often. They are generally incomplete, inadequate, constricted and often plain unsafe.
With your stated ideas my friend, it sounds like you belong in an SUV, but keep well away from me thanks.
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby kunalraiker » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:59 pm
Nope, no argument there, also please watch your tone- we are all gentlemen here!
All I'am trying to say is,there is already enough nuisance as a result of cars being in-correctly parked on road, sometimes in clearway zone.
The poor drivers are not left with much, imagine his horror when he's trying to squeeze his/her car in between a parked vehicle and one in front of him trying to urn right in rush hour and all of a sudden a school of "cyclist" start flowing through.[/quote]
I pay two rego fees - own two cars. Majority of cyclists own a car, too. I also pay my taxes.
Take your stupid argument back to stupid town, troll.[/quote]
Feel sorry for you, as this attitude will get you killed on the road, anyway I have tried enough to bring out the obvious, i guess some cocunuts are hard to crack.
Just make sure you keep the tender meat safe !
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby biker jk » Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:01 pm
Can I kindly suggest you check your facts before spouting this rubbish. The roads are not funded by registration or even fuel taxes. It's out of general revenue like income and company taxes. I pay income tax and so contribute to the funding of roads, so I have every right to cycle on roads. Do you remember the Romans? Well they built roads some time ago which were used by foot soldiers and horses and carts, well before the car was invented. Motorists produce enormous negative externalities such as pollution, traffic jams and road deaths, for which they do not pay.kunalraiker wrote:
Not until we pay any road tax, no we don't.
Also to add, roads were made for cars and that's that.Its a privilege that we get to ride on the roads, I thank every car that doesn't knock me off.
As a rider I much prefer the bike paths, as one they are safe and secondly that's where we belong.
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby boss » Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:13 pm
I pay two rego fees - own two cars. Majority of cyclists own a car, too. I also pay my taxes.kunalraiker wrote:[quote="jimboss"
Nope, no argument there, also please watch your tone- we are all gentlemen here!
All I'am trying to say is,there is already enough nuisance as a result of cars being in-correctly parked on road, sometimes in clearway zone.
The poor drivers are not left with much, imagine his horror when he's trying to squeeze his/her car in between a parked vehicle and one in front of him trying to urn right in rush hour and all of a sudden a school of "cyclist" start flowing through.
Stop trolling.[/quote]
Feel sorry for you, as this attitude will get you killed on the road, anyway I have tried enough to bring out the obvious, i guess some cocunuts are hard to crack.
Just make sure you keep the tender meat safe ![/quote]
You're an idiot.
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Re: Now, this is how you write a cyclist hate article
Postby skull » Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:33 pm
OMGoshkunalraiker wrote:
Not until we pay any road tax, no we don't.
Also to add, roads were made for cars and that's that.Its a privilege that we get to ride on the roads, I thank every car that doesn't knock me off.
As a rider I much prefer the bike paths, as one they are safe and secondly that's where we belong.
One: we don't pay road tax in Australia
Two: roads are made for transport not just motor vehicles. Roads were around before cars. Motorways on the other hand IMO should not have cyclists on them (the best way to get dead)
Three: Funding for infrastructure comes from consolidated revenue, only a tiny percentage of that comes from vehicle registration. However my income pushes me just shy of the top income tax bracket. I can then safely assume I contribute more to consolidated revenue than motor rego.
So stay off my roads as I owns them all.
However I do agree with you in being safe and looking after number 1 when out riding.
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