randonner project
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randonner project
Postby Ferrovelo » Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:35 pm
I also started removing the (non original) blue paint, as I'm planning to keep the frame as a 'bare' steel finish. That is 'bare' as in some form of clear (probably powdercoat) directly over the steel, so I'll spend a bit of time filing and sanding to get it looking good 'naked'.
I'm unsure how durable this will be in the long run, but we'll give it a go and see, worse case I can re-finish it down the track, but I'm keen on the raw steel look if it can made to work.
The frame seems to have just about every eyelet and boss possible, so it will be well suited to mounting some fenders and racks down the track.
One of the braze ons, I've seen on other bikes too but never known what it's for is the small round tab a inch or two up the rear stay on the drive side?
This one:
Also, the fork steerer is stamped TANGE, which is what I expected as I understand the frame to be an Apollo IV, but the main frame tube is stamped RENOLDS 531.
Actually the stamping is light and all I can make out for certain is ..OLDS 53.. but those characters are legible.
From reading one of the Apollo threads on here I was expecting it to be tange.
I started to wonder frame being an Apollo IV (which it was sold to me as by the original owner), but I think that checks out as the serial number is in the same location, format and font (84 09 82809, on the bottom/side of the seat tube) to another bike of similar vintage that I know for sure to be a Apollo.
Frame stamping images here: http://imageshack.us/g/696/randonneurjapaneseapoll.jpg/
So yesterday I knew it was decent frame that rides nicely and should be well suited to its intended use (I've had it for about a year and have used it occasionally to commute).
Today I learned a little more, that its an ?OLDS 53? frame with a TANGE fork.
And, perhaps, tomorrow I'll learn what that little tab on the rear stay is for too.
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Re: randonner project
Postby koen » Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:49 pm
Maybe it isn't obvious? That little lug above the chain is to hook the chain on when you take out the wheel.
Sounds like a fun project, look forward to the progress.
Have you also got the spare spoke holder on the chain stay?( The little lug just in front of the rear cable stop)
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Re: randonner project
Postby Ferrovelo » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:24 am
Ill have to start using it now.
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Re: randonner project
Postby HappyHumber » Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:14 pm
Here is a very eloquent video from the opening sequence of "A Sunday in Hell"; A 1976 documentary of the Paris Roubaix race which I thought demonstrated the use of this little lug.....koen wrote:That little lug above the chain is to hook the chain on when you take out the wheel.
Actually I was wrong. it doesn't demonstrate it. Silly me thinking that in era of drillium weight savings those bikes would have those lugs. However, the pencil shaped little rod of metal he uses through the dropout triangles does show how such a lug could could be used I thought I'd still post it anyway - as it's a fine intro to a great old doco film in case you haven't seen it.
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Re: randonner project
Postby Ferrovelo » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:47 pm
I decided to experiment a bit further and threw some gold pearl into the clear too. I'm quite happy how it turned out.
The look is basically a clear gloss over the bare steel, but with a gold shimmer when it catches the light at certain angles. Pretty cools actually as it sort of matched the gold colour of the brazing.
In some of the pictures below it looks golder/yellower than it actually is, probably because of the light I had on it to take the pictures. The last picture is more true to how it looks.
Also below are a couple of pictures of the frame as-striped of paint, and after preparing for powdercoating.
I spent quite a bit of time with the file, wet and dry and buffing wheel. Cleaning up rough edges and tidying up the brazing so that its mostly just a neat fine line at the joint.
Actually I was a bit worried that the polishing might not be a good finish for the powder coat to adhere to, but it seems OK, so far anyway.
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Re: randonner project
Postby munga » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:03 pm
what a brilliant job!
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Re: randonner project
Postby Ferrovelo » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:10 pm
I’ve also been cleaning up some components for this bike today too. Mostly those that were on there originally – Suntour, Sugino, Nitto etc. I still need to source some racks, ideally one that will utilize the nutserts on the forks, but I’m still trying track something down. I’m thinking of hammered fenders too, but I’ll try some fluted ones that I have first and see how they look.
I’m still unsure about the brakes though. Ive cleaned up one of a pair of centre pulls but I’m not sure whether I like them so much now.
What do you think, shouldn’t a randonneur have centrepulls?
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Re: randonner project
Postby singlespeedscott » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:23 pm
Also it is my belief that all Randonneur bikes should have centre pull brakes. They look great with, and work well with, fenders.
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Re: randonner project
Postby Ferrovelo » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:10 pm
Yeah, I think i will put it together with the center pulls and see how it looks.
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Re: randonner project
Postby frailer5 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:24 pm
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Re: randonner project
Postby Ferrovelo » Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:00 pm
Next I need to order some fenders, tyres, a chain and pedals, and try some suntour front derailleurs to find one that works with the triple rings.
Also, does anyone know of any 27" gumwall tyres with a slick tread? I've been looking at the panaracer pasela's but would perfer a slick?
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Re: randonner project
Postby singlespeedscott » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:10 pm
I like the shellacked tape. I do my cloth tape a little different to you. I locate my levers into my desired position. Tape the clamps into position. I then remove the levers thus leaving the clamps in the right location. I then do the handlebar tape. Once done I replace the levers.
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Re: randonner project
Postby munga » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:11 pm
+1singlespeedscott wrote:Looking good.
I like the shellacked tape. I do my cloth tape a little different to you. I locate my levers into my desired position. Tape the clamps into position. I then remove the levers thus leaving the clamps in the right location. I then do the handlebar tape. Once done I replace the levers.
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Re: randonner project
Postby Ferrovelo » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:30 pm
Makes good sense. I haven't applied cloth tape before but will use that method next time. Thanks for the heads up.singlespeedscott wrote:Looking good.
I like the shellacked tape. I do my cloth tape a little different to you. I locate my levers into my desired position. Tape the clamps into position. I then remove the levers thus leaving the clamps in the right location. I then do the handlebar tape. Once done I replace the levers.
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Postby Ferrovelo » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:09 pm
Needs a few little tweeks, some more fitting pedals, a bottle cage and maybe a rack or saddlebag, but I'm quite happy with how its come together.
The old suntour 5 speed freewheel makes are real 'old school' sound that I like, and check out the spare spoke holder in the last picture.
It will be interesting to see how the clear powder coat will hold up long term.
Just in case I don't have enough pictures below, here's a link to the album too https://picasaweb.google.com/1149819892 ... directlink
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Re: randonner project
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Re: randonner project
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Re: randonner project
Postby Clydesdale Scot » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:41 pm
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Re: randonner project
Postby Ferrovelo » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:09 pm
The driveline is a suntour mix, symmetric shifters, Vx rear, superbe pro front, sprint hubs, with sugino gt tripple cranks
Rims are mavic module 4, with new brass eyelets and nipples.
BB and headset are kuwaharra,
Dia compe Brake levers, and a Nitto stem
New, bits are (yes) gran compe centre pulls, 27x1 1/8 panaracer paselas, the hammered fenders (a tight fit because they are meant for 700c) chain cables and 1xcustom reynolds decal!
Not new, but not original are the brooks champion saddle, the 2 derallieurs, and a suntour 5 speed freewheel (came in a superbe box but not sure?)
Not much cushioning on the cloth grips though! I probably want to raise the brake levers up a bit too so I may change them to leather at the same time but I'll give them a few more rides before I make a call.
Scott, have you been down to north beach and Belmore Basin lately? They've done a pretty nice job of it. I'm yet to try the new cafe in the old pavilion though.
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Re: randonner project
Postby munga » Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:07 pm
can you tell us more about the new eyelets?
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Re: randonner project
Postby frailer5 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:58 pm
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Re: randonner project
Postby singlespeedscott » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:21 pm
I've got a set of these on my audax bike. Heaps of power. However after your first real steep high speed decent you'll be changing the pads to some kool stop salmons. The original gran compe pads squeal like banshees once they have warmed up.pentlandexile wrote:New Gran Compe centrepulls? Desirable.
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Re: randonner project
Postby Ferrovelo » Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:35 pm
munga wrote:Ha! just noticed your decal! nice work
can you tell us more about the new eyelets?
They were a bit of a fiddle, the first ones I bought were a bit too small so I had to have a second go at it and and I had to make up a jig to support the rim and a punch to set them. The original eyelets went right through to the inner wall of the rim, I couldn't find any like that so the new ones are sit on the outer rim wall.
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