Edge 800 Elevation dramas
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Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby ozstriker » Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:37 pm
It was working great for ages then all of a sudden it stopped reading properly altogether. At the start of my ride it will go from 0m and shoot straight up to 600m straight away, then slowly come down over the course of my ride.
I have set the elevation of where my house is, coincidentally it is about 600m.
Has anyone else had this problem or know how to solve it?
Heres a pic of what it looks like on strava.
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby GeoffInBrisbane » Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:59 pm
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby ozstriker » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:17 pm
Or alternatively there are plenty of GPS apps for smart phones that will give your altitude
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby GeoffInBrisbane » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:49 pm
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby DaveOZ » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:53 pm
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby ozstriker » Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:36 pm
I always wait to see if I have good gps signal before I leave, do you check accuracy first?
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby kb » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:49 am
+1chucknitro wrote:The 800 has a barometric altimeter. There are some small holes in the underneath side, you should check to ensure they are not blocked.
My only elevation problems have been when water droplets have covered that hole riding in the wet.
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby InTheWoods » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:07 pm
Well thats the way it works with the 500 and I assume the 800 will be very similar, they both have barometric altimeters.
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby wombatK » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:07 pm
it seemed to be accurate for a while - beginners luck maybe.
Their notorious inaccuracy is why most logging tools and web-sites have an elevation correction tool that uses an estimated elevation from a web lookup. That's a pretty rough estimate only - based on sampling satellite imaging at a 100m grid, so it often misses the truth where you ride through a cutting or on a filled section of road. The elevation correction tools can also get it wrong where there are cliff-faces or steep mountains near to your route.
If you want accurate elevation data, get another GPS logger that doesn't have a barometric altimeter. Most phones
will do the job well (except for the battery drain trouble !).
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby VRE » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:32 pm
I've used a 705 (for over 4 years now), and more recently the 800, and with both have found that only on rare occasions (perhaps a handful of times a year) does it give elevation readings that are incorrect by +/- 100m. For 99% of the time, the elevation readings are fairly good. I've done rides anywhere from around Port Philip Bay to mountains in the Alps, and have been very happy with the elevation readings from my 2 Garmins.wombatK wrote:Every one of the garmin Edge computers (705, 800, 500) uses a barometric altimeter which is prone to massive inaccuracy (+/- 100m from the truth)
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby Baalzamon » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:54 pm
But I do know on my edge 705 I get different elevation to a rider using an edge 800, someone else on same ride has edge 800 and their values are close but out compared to mine. Most of the time out by 100m elevation gained etc
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby ozstriker » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:50 pm
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby wombatK » Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:51 pm
It doesn't have to be a long ride, and my experience with both a 705 and a 500 is that you rarely get good performance if you compared it with something that was accurate.Baalzamon wrote:If your doing a long ride as well there will be changes in the atmospheric barometric pressure as well which has an impact on reading from barometric pressure
Here is a typical example from my 705 where I rode laps around the Dunc Gray Velodrome crit track (and to & from)...
The real elevation at the start and end is 53m above sea level - and you can see a steady gain in elevation every
lap (800 m) - in this case about 1 m per lap.
The elevation change is always one-way - but sometimes it will fall, others it will rise - and it bears
no relationship to the change in atmospheric pressure, as measured at the very close Bankstown Airport weather
station.
5 km laps of Sydney Olympic Park produce a drift of approximately 5m per lap.
In the case of the 500, setting the correct elevation at the start is soon enough undone by the usual drift - I've probably never been for a ride where the finishing elevation of my home was within 25m of where it started, and had quite a few where it's more than 100m out.
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby greyhoundtom » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:22 pm
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Re: Edge 800 Elevation dramas
Postby sturmey archer » Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:20 pm
My understanding of the barometric unit in Garmin GPS' is that it is used to 'smooth' the height information.
The GPS only elevation information is significantly less accurate than horizontal position. However if you analyse this data over a long time (hours) you get pretty accurate elevation information. However this isn't too useful if your actually going up a hill.
If you assume that relative elevation changes calculated from the barometer are pretty good in the short term (pressure changes normally aren't that fast),but dodgy in the long term, you can use the short term poor, long term better GPS elevation to correct the barometric information with some nifty statistical analysis. Of course this isn't perfect, a low coming though will effect the elevation - its a trade off from almost useless raw GPS elevation data to elevation data with a shift in elevation.
The other issue is that if you start from a point where the GPS thinks you an elevation of 80m when you turn the GPS on but your really at 10m , the algorithim takes some time tweak the elevation readings using the GPS elevation info. I'd says that's pretty much what is seen in wombatK's track.
The best idea is to set a known elevation point. If you're in Victoria you can rummage around:
http://services.land.vic.gov.au/landcha ... ressSearch" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and find a local survey mark with a value for AHD (Australian Height Datum). Of course that isn't the height you want. You'll
need to convert to WGS84 for GPS elevation. GDA94 is nearly the same as WGS84 (It was the same in 1994 but the Australian
tectonic plate has moved a bit since then!) You can convert from AHD to GDA94 elevation here :
http://www.ga.gov.au/ausgeoid/nvalcomp.jsp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
At my location ( 138S 145E ) the local survey marker at 18M AHD is 22M GDA94 - a 4 M difference.
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