The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Xplora » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:17 pm

jules21 wrote: he crossed in front of me. he kept insisting i should have warned him by sounding my bell. i don't think so.

You should have asked him if he needed you to remind him to wipe after potty as well. I would have AZ'd him as well if the angle was any sharper. I wouldn't bother warning him, I'd just avoid. Screaming RIDAAH is a useful preemptive move as well. Scares the pus out of them.

Be comforted that the bloke will realise that any collision will ruin his suit and that he has no right of way as well. Humans tend to only respond to brownpants moments, this will be one of them.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Summernight » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:25 pm

Mulger bill wrote:Or, as is the usual case, they are full of carp swept off the car lanes. I came across a large bolt and three wheel weights in the space of 600m on Menzies Drive yesterday. Stopped and kicked 'em all to the gutter.
Rang the council to whinge when I got home, should be done by Christmas :roll:


I'm in Melbourne and the street sweeper regularly (or seems to anyway. :P) does the Albert Street, East Melbourne green bicycle lane (at least... it does the sweep going down the hill towards Hoddle Street, I don't know about up the hill towards the city as the leaves seem to still be there the next day). Of course, I've also seen some glass on the road in another part of my commute that hasn't been fixed up for at least a week.

The only problem with the sweeper is that I've seen it going at its normal speed in the cycle lane, and without slowing down an iota, hit the springy poles that supposedly separate the car lane from the bike lane (which absolutely do not work as taxis and cars have plenty of room between each pole to park IN the bicycle lane instead of in their designated parks) and then said springy poles have slapped the side of a parked car with considerable force. I believe it left a dent in the car's side panel (I was walking into the city at the time I saw this happen). The car was parked in a designated car park with plenty of space between it and the green bicycle lane so wasn't doing anything wrong.

Anyway, back on topic:

My dumb cyclist story is a man who I believe may be a regular rider (not on this forum, of course) as this is the second time this week I've seen him do this (and I only travel that particular route twice a week). He rides down Coppin Street towards Swan Street, Richmond from Bridge Road at about 7:55AM in the mornings... In the designated bicycle lane... On the wrong side of the road riding into the traffic. :roll:

Now this wasn't the end of it. He gets to Swan Street and then slows to a stop and turns right (not cutting across any lanes of traffic as he is already on the wrong side of the road) and then stops at the traffic lights (but still on the road, even though he could have hopped onto the footpath near the tram stop). So I'm thinking 'okay, he'll now take the pedestrian crossing to cross the road or the footpath and get off the road'.

No.

Instead he then proceeds to ride the wrong way down Swan Street (towards the city) on the road into traffic WITHOUT a bicycle lane. Since I was waiting at the lights going across Swan Street on Coppin towards Bridge I had a quick look as I crossed the intersection and I could see him bumbling his way on the wrong side of the road beside the parked cars up Swan Street.

I'm not sure whether to report him to the Richmond police so they can have a word with him or not... Especially if he does it every day at the same time.

For anyone interested in the intersection: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?saddr=Co ... 53,,0,0.31
He was travelling on the left of the view near the brownish building.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:25 pm

Xplora wrote: and that he has no right of way as well.

You do, legally, have a duty to avoid a collision however. Incumbent upon all of us.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby malnar » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:46 pm

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malnar wrote:Riding on a shared path in a designated off-lead area, got bitten by a dog this morning (the dumb party is the owner). After it bit me it continued to chase me for a good 500m. Got footage of the dog on rear-facing video.

One 2mm deep puncture wound on my calf. Got a tetanus shot & antibiotics this morning...


Go after them not only for costs, but a dog like that is a menace. As much as I hate the thought of an animal being euthanased, you do wonder what it might have done had you been stationary or went down and were enable to get away. :shock: This is also quite a lot of the owner's fault too for not training their dog properly or restraining it. :roll: Hope you recover okay from the bite.


Update: Riding home yesterday in the same location I see the same dogs (I'm almost certain they are pit bulls) chasing a cyclist riding in the opposite direction! They stopped the chase when they saw me. I stop to talk to the owners. I overhear the male saying to a female 'they were following a bike rider yesterday....' so I say 'Yeah, that was me and I got bitten'. I said he owes me money for antibiotics. He asked to see the bite. When he saw it he said he'll happily reimburse me if I go to his place to get the cash. We were conversing about the rules re off lead areas when a tandem with a child on the back went by. One of the dogs ran along with the tandem and had its mouth cms from the child's leg (got this on video). I said 'is that appropriate?' He suggested it demonstrated how safe the dogs are. Then he started saying I have not got a witness re the bite. Amusing conversation continued until he told me to get f'd.

Only at the end did I tell him I had a camera running. The audio is priceless.

I have rung through a report to the dangerous dog hotline....
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby zero » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:49 pm

csy75 wrote:
zero wrote: Parrawi Rd doesn't have a cross intersection at the top. You can't tell me that any legal method of getting there is safer than just continuing to ride along spit rd. Also whatever I do to get to that side of the road will far more seriously interfere with traffic flow than just riding along spit rd. Amusingly after shaking your head at a bicycle riding in the middle lane, you just used the same sized vehicle to do exactly the same thing at the same speed, 20m ahead of it, and you make the most dangerous of the moves (outside lane to middle lane), more often than the cyclist does.


zero, i commute from manly to the city every day either by bike or moto. i cycle off the main road both ways.

it's a decision i make to stay safer. I come to parriwi downill from the back streets of mosman via moruben road so yes, there is a crossing directly to it.

please don't confuse a motorcycle with superior handling/tyres/brakes etc with a cyclist doing 70 km/h downhill in the middle of a 3 lane road in peak hour. a motorcycle is not the same vehicle as a bicycle.

my post and head shaking is because the guy is braver than me ( some might say foolhardy ).


He is doing 55 (in your video - have to pedal hard to push 60+ there), you are doing 70. He will brake at 0.5g, and you will brake at 0.8g. At 1 second in after an unexpected event, both of you have the same reactions, except now you are 4.1m closer to that event than he is, and neither of you have begun to slow down. At 2 seconds in, he will be doing 10m/sec (36km/hr), and you will be doing 11.4 (41km/hr), and you will be now 5.6m ahead of the cyclist. At 3s you'll be doing doing 3.4m/sec, and he'll be doing 5m/sec, and you will still be 5.6m ahead of the cyclist. He will need 2.5m to complete his stop, which will still be under your total distance even though he finishes stopping after you do, and the envelope of his braking area sweeps less space at higher speeds, which is the more favourable profile for likelyhood of a collision occuring at the higher speed range.

In practice he risks abrasions more than you (I presume you aren't a squid) you risk colliding with a lane changing car more than he does, and you risk a brickwall stop event more than he does by travelling faster. If you were travelling at 55 as well, you could legitimately claim you were taking less risk with your superior dynamics.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Lukeyboy » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:02 pm

Hand up. Got caught behind a slower rider that was riding left to right towards the middle of the pathway (not a great deal but enough to second guess passing closeby with pedestrians on the other side of the path) with earphones well and truly stuck in her ears. Approached a semi blind but opening corner. You can usually see people walking/riding their bikes through the gaps in the fencing/trees. Saw no one on the other lane, saw the top rail of the bridge, saw the path futher along, saw the bike rider coming towards me, saw other people walking in the distance and didn't see anyone close by. Decided to make the pass as not to be stuck behind her before we caught up to the rest of the oncoming people. So I moved to the inside of the path and overtook her with ease but just as I was about to move back across I saw a guy wearing a green shirt with light brown + grey striped pants walking towards me. No incidnet but just a courier up on my part. After that she started to look behind and let a couple others past. Got futher along the path to a point where it zigzaged back and I heard multiple dings and looked over to see about 4 other cyclists now stuck behind her. At least she had picked up the pace :lol:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Xplora » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:18 pm

Dumb cyclist warning for those in the Toongabbie/Norwest Sydney area.

5'9" 80kg 60 year old Danish bloke wearing Clarksville Cyclery (orange/red) kit, riding a white/blue 105 Giant. I passed him in Toongabbie on the service road and when he finally caught up to me at the underpass at Windsor Rd he was saying a truckload of offensive things while my son was in the babyseat behind me. I have a feeling he thought I was racing him as I kept looking back (because I figured I'd have to make way as he came rushing past), and I had to slow down to get through the underpass a lot (few people near the path and much harder to balance with the boy on the back through tight areas). I had a quick chat to him and it wasn't until 200m later when I took off that I realised he was chipping me (when he referred to me as a F*&^ING LOSER). My hearing isn't brilliant and wind at 30kmh makes it that much worse. I just can't get my head around why he had a bee in his bonnet. :lol:

If you can't ride faster than me, don't have a cry when you have to slow down behind me for corners. If you don't like sharing the paths, get onto the road. If you can't be civil, I suggest you return to Denmark as it appears you prefer to swear in that language. If you can't be civil around children, hang your head in shame. It was an embarrassment to share the path with you today. :idea:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby cp123 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:26 pm

malnar - can you post your being chased by a rabid dog video... and tell us, have you got yesterday's conversation on tape too? that would be pure gold to the authorities..... bwhahaha :twisted: especially if the owners admit it chases riders....
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:39 pm

cp123 wrote:malnar - can you post your being chased by a rabid dog video... and tell us, have you got yesterday's conversation on tape too? that would be pure gold to the authorities..... bwhahaha :twisted: especially if the owners admit it chases riders....


even better: get a screen grab of the owners and we'll start a facebook page "My dogs snack on cyclists for breakfast"
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby malnar » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:18 pm

cp123 wrote:malnar - can you post your being chased by a rabid dog video... and tell us, have you got yesterday's conversation on tape too? that would be pure gold to the authorities..... bwhahaha :twisted: especially if the owners admit it chases riders....


Get got the lot on vid. Audio very clear.
- He acknowledges that it bit,
- you can see & hear the fact that they ignore his verbal commands
- he acknowledges that they are in breach of the council rule stating that dogs attracted to moving bicycle tyres cannot be off lead.
- I said it chased me for 500m & he corrects me by saying it was more like 800 (I have to agree with his estimate),
- he said he was yelling at me to stop, & if I had, nothing would have happened.
- There's even a complaint from the wife about cyclist scaring her as they pass.

The whole thing is gold, funny, farcical and sad.

Just got to convert it from .mov to something else so I can edit it in movie maker. Journo from The Age wants to see it.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby hannos » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:21 pm

malnar wrote: Journo from The Age wants to see it.



careful. They may make it into a "Cyclist scares Pedestrial / Dog" article...
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby csy75 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:30 pm

zero wrote:He is doing 55 (in your video - have to pedal hard to push 60+ there), you are doing 70.

:lol:
outstanding!
apparently you can guesstimate someone's speed off a youtube clip versus my actually being there.

if you can do that i cannot disagree on anything you say anymore, based your superior powers of observation.

i bow down before you sir.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:46 pm

malnar wrote:Just got to convert it from .mov to something else so I can edit it in movie maker. Journo from The Age wants to see it.

this should be good :)
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:07 pm

malnar wrote:
cp123 wrote:malnar - can you post your being chased by a rabid dog video... and tell us, have you got yesterday's conversation on tape too? that would be pure gold to the authorities..... bwhahaha :twisted: especially if the owners admit it chases riders....


Get got the lot on vid. Audio very clear.
- He acknowledges that it bit,
- you can see & hear the fact that they ignore his verbal commands
- he acknowledges that they are in breach of the council rule stating that dogs attracted to moving bicycle tyres cannot be off lead.
- I said it chased me for 500m & he corrects me by saying it was more like 800 (I have to agree with his estimate),
- he said he was yelling at me to stop, & if I had, nothing would have happened.
- There's even a complaint from the wife about cyclist scaring her as they pass.

The whole thing is gold, funny, farcical and sad.

Just got to convert it from .mov to something else so I can edit it in movie maker. Journo from The Age wants to see it.


Be careful giving it to them. Some journalists are a recipe for trouble - I don't think I've dealt with one that has not twisted the story or comments in a totally different way to how they were intended. I'll surprised if you don't come away from this looking like the bad guy and the dog (along with its owners) looking like the victims.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby fatdudeonabike » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:32 pm

I think you're thinking of Today Tonight dude.

Voice over: "Rex and Mary were out with their dog, Fido. But then tragedy struck"

Rex: "We were just out on our Sunday walk, and this cyclist came back at hundred miles an hour. He just had no regard for any of us."

Voice over: "You can see from the video here as the cyclist narrowly misses Fido. Fido chases to remonstrate, as Mary falls into shock."

Rex: "We couldn't do anything. Fido's upset because he nearly got run over. Mary's upset because the cyclist sped past only 5 metres away from where we were walking. The guy was a madman!"

Voice over: "Fido gave great chase, bravely going head to head with the cyclist that had tried to kill him."

Rex: "They're just good for nothing. They run over people walking on bike... I mean footpaths. They get themselves killed on the road. They should just ban the lot of them"

Naomi Robson: "It really does make you wonder, doesn't it? When will the Government outlaw bicycles?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby zero » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:31 pm

csy75 wrote:
zero wrote:He is doing 55 (in your video - have to pedal hard to push 60+ there), you are doing 70.

:lol:
outstanding!
apparently you can guesstimate someone's speed off a youtube clip versus my actually being there.

if you can do that i cannot disagree on anything you say anymore, based your superior powers of observation.

i bow down before you sir.


You are complaining about a reasonable speed estimate from someone who has ridden the hill hundreds of times, (and thus has a frame of reference for dealing with focal length effects of the camera) - whilst ignoring all the other points raised.

*parrawi has no safe approach from north sydney direction
*required to stop 6 lanes of traffic to access parrawi from the north sydney direction, and then do it AGAIN at the bottom of the hill to exit parrawi.
*parrawi is a 2 lane road, with driveways and parked cars where as that section of the spit rd is physically divided with no intersections or driveways after the turn which virtually removes oncoming traffic or driveway exiters as risk categories.
*it is almost reliable to observe overtaking cars attempting to split climbing bicycles and oncoming bicycles on parrawi, ie motorists persistently expose descending cyclists to 80 - 100km/hr closing speed risks. As there is much fewer attempts to overtake descenders, climbers have much smaller speed differentials in general to contend with - which is one reason I climb via parrawi (the other being so I don't hold up buses on Spit Rd).

Its an absurd waste of my and everybodies time to use it to descend. In a 30 second intersection changeover I would consume 6x10 or 60 car slots on spit rd doing that, and I would have to do it twice, and I would typically have to wait out 2 x 1 minute stretches to get the lights to chage. I would take 160 seconds to traverse the road directly, and I would "waste" a grand total of 13 car spaces on that road by slowing a lane, if and only if the traffic managed to do 60 before the turn, which it never does. In practice I use the same amount of time and roadspace as a single occupant motorist for the task, and therefore it matters not which lane I'm in.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby clydesmcdale » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:50 pm

fatdudeonabike wrote:I think you're thinking of Today Tonight dude.

Voice over: "Rex and Mary were out with their dog, Fido. But then tragedy struck"

Rex: "We were just out on our Sunday walk, and this cyclist came back at hundred miles an hour. He just had no regard for any of us."

Voice over: "You can see from the video here as the cyclist narrowly misses Fido. Fido chases to remonstrate, as Mary falls into shock."

Rex: "We couldn't do anything. Fido's upset because he nearly got run over. Mary's upset because the cyclist sped past only 5 metres away from where we were walking. The guy was a madman!"

Voice over: "Fido gave great chase, bravely going head to head with the cyclist that had tried to kill him."

Rex: "They're just good for nothing. They run over people walking on bike... I mean footpaths. They get themselves killed on the road. They should just ban the lot of them"

Naomi Robson: "It really does make you wonder, doesn't it? When will the Government outlaw bicycles?


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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby ColinOldnCranky » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:20 pm

jules21 wrote:
this guy went off-tap when i rode around him, while he crossed in front of me. he kept insisting i should have warned him by sounding my bell. i couldn't believe this and had to watch the video later to see if it was worse than i thought it was at the time, but i don't think so.

I don't think so either.

Your actions were just about perfect. Doing his best to no interfere with someone careless, not making a big issue after the bloke whinged and getting on with his ride. It is just a fact of life that there are people who fail to see the obvious.

In fairness to the guy, while he was wrong and unreasonable in his assessment at least he didn't seem to go off. Who knows, if he had a video of his own to review he may come to a different POV. There are worse fools out there.

To t hose advocating the use of the air zound I trust that you were just being flippant. Using an air zound in such a case just would just tell the world something about the user and what it says would not be nice.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby fatdudeonabike » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:39 pm

twizzle wrote:
fatdudeonabike wrote:Driving up a busy 2 lane road in Canberra (Gungahlin Drive for locals) this afternoon... the road should be 3 lanes, and the 2 lanes they have aren't wide enough. ...


Which part of GD? The only narrow bit I can think of is the section at the first lights in Mitchell when heading North, but the morons in charge have FINALLY provided a slip lane up to the shared pathway when the on-road lane ends. Although getting back onto the road on the other side of the lights to get to the on-road lane that starts after the lights that easy.

No - cyclists don't have to use the shared pathway, but they *do* have to use an on-road lane if provided, unless "impractical", ie. you cut across lanes to turn at an intersection.



Its just after the sliplane that you're referring to - so its a stretch of quite a few hundred metres either side of that street between Franklin and Mitchell. The roads skinny, there just isnt enough room for a (considerate) bike rider when the "shared pathway" that isn't shared is right there.
When there is room, the bike line magically reappears again - although no one thought to build a path from the "shared pathway) back onto the road at the Palmerston end.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:50 pm

ColinOldnCranky wrote:In fairness to the guy, while he was wrong and unreasonable in his assessment at least he didn't seem to go off.

thanks colin. actually, the mic doesn't pick up most of what he's saying. he wasn't abusive, but he was carrying on like a pork chop. he was really incredulous that i would just pass him like that. oh well :)
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Mozz » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:11 pm

Brisbane around 0745hrs Thursday 10 Jan, Indooroopilly end of the Jack Pesch bridge, stop go sign holding guy.... who was there to ensure that front end loader which was quickly traversing from one side to the other side of the path (railway side to military base side) could do so without killing or maiming cyclists or pedestrians.... myself I was riding inbound, with two cyclists riding outbound.. while stop go guy was head down on his "smart" phone paying zero attention to front end loader being very active on the railway line side or to the closing cyclists.... hey nothing happened ... this time....
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby ColinOldnCranky » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:04 pm

malnar wrote:
cp123 wrote:malnar - can you post your being chased by a rabid dog video... and tell us, have you got yesterday's conversation on tape too? that would be pure gold to the authorities..... bwhahaha :twisted: especially if the owners admit it chases riders....


Get got the lot on vid. Audio very clear.
- He acknowledges that it bit,
- you can see & hear the fact that they ignore his verbal commands
- he acknowledges that they are in breach of the council rule stating that dogs attracted to moving bicycle tyres cannot be off lead.
- I said it chased me for 500m & he corrects me by saying it was more like 800 (I have to agree with his estimate),
- he said he was yelling at me to stop, & if I had, nothing would have happened.
- There's even a complaint from the wife about cyclist scaring her as they pass.

The whole thing is gold, funny, farcical and sad.

Just got to convert it from .mov to something else so I can edit it in movie maker. Journo from The Age wants to see it.


No, do not edit the copies for the authorities or interfere with it in anyway. For obvious reasons. Give it to them untouched. They can do any editing themselves. Certainly keep an unedited copy on file.

If its an email size/transmission thing then use one of photoserving or data hosting serices like dropbox.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby outnabike » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:03 am

jules21 wrote:
ColinOldnCranky wrote:In fairness to the guy, while he was wrong and unreasonable in his assessment at least he didn't seem to go off.

thanks colin. actually, the mic doesn't pick up most of what he's saying. he wasn't abusive, but he was carrying on like a pork chop. he was really incredulous that i would just pass him like that. oh well :)


Hi Jules,
You seem to have captured well on video what has happened to me,and I am sure, to many others very often. I too have had this occur and wondered at what a pedestrian was going to do next.
In my many instances I always wonder why I didn’t give them a bell warning in time, and the truth is I reacted too late and then was forced to verbally make them aware. All because I just didn’t expect them to come out at me or thought, they are on the phone, but are looking directly at me. But they were miles away.

You are damned whether you bell them or whether you don’t. Simply put all you have done is frighten them. A curt "Watch out!" though justified, seems to come out as an admonishment and gets an adverse reaction. A bell or judicial honk on a horn seems more appropriate in the instance that have occurred to me at any rate.

To mask their embarrassment or fright you get the blame anyway. I now warn more often as the day dreamer is going to be safer if I do it rather than not.
In the end the requirement is to use a warning device, and though it will not help make a friend, I may avoid the collision. Confrontations are harder to avoid. :lol:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:51 am

If they're that distracted, irresponsible or away with the fairies, just wait till you're about 3m away then give them a "DING" with the bell.

See johnny jump :lol:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Mulger bill » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:12 pm

Got called out for an OT nightshift last night so had to take the smokebox :(
The number of Ninjas out at 2340 in Melbs is a bit of a worry. The Haymarket is no place to be in staelth mode!
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