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Nooby traffic question

Postby swon38 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:04 pm

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To the left of the above image shows the ending of a bike lane. As you can see it becomes a left turn lane.

My question is this: Say you are in the bike lane, no cars infront and the light goes red. A car behind you wants to turn left and for arguments sake, straight has a red light and left turn has a green light. Where do I stop? Since the left lane is strictly a turning lane, I'm assuming I can't stop here (if it was a straight and turning lane I would have no qualms blocking the car behind as often occurs when I'm in a car)? Would I move as far over to the right as possible since there are no bike squares at the front of the straight lanes? To me it looks like even if I moved as far right as possible, it would still be a squeeze for the turning car. Perhaps pull over on the extreme left in front of the silver station wagon and wait for the green straight light?

Any advice for a road-riding newbie appreciated.
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Re: Nooby traffic question

Postby RonK » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:22 pm

I would take the through lane and move back over to the left after crossing the intersection.

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Re: Nooby traffic question

Postby il padrone » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:33 pm

Under the road rules you are legally able to ride in any lane that you need to, so you are free to ride in the middle lane. A left-turn only lane strictly requires you to leave it clear unless you are turning left. I have a lane similar to this on my commute where hardly anyone ever turns left. I sit in the left lane, but if there was someone behind me waiting to turn left I would move over to the next lane (never happens as there is no dedicated left-turn cycle).

At a few other situations I have a left/straight ahead lane and there is a left turn only arrow (go figure?) and I will try to reposition myself (if possible and the driver is not damn rude about it) to let left-turners through. But always do whatever is safe for you.
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Re: Nooby traffic question

Postby hannos » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:50 am

In that picture I would not even be IN the "bike lane". To me it still looks like a "door-zone" and I refuse to ride in them.
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Re: Nooby traffic question

Postby il padrone » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:14 am

hannos wrote:In that picture I would not even be IN the "bike lane". To me it still looks like a "door-zone" and I refuse to ride in them.

Have another look at that street and its bike lane. It is a very good width - a good 2m+ wide I'd say so easy to stay clear of the doors.
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Re: Nooby traffic question

Postby m@ » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:27 am

It looks pretty narrow where the silver station wagon is parked; but if going straight you'd want to take the middle lane before then anyhow...
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Re: Nooby traffic question

Postby Xplora » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:41 am

+1 for both Hannos and RonK, in that order.
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Re: Nooby traffic question

Postby KenGS » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:55 am

It's one of those faux bike lanes anyway as an inspection of Google Street View shows:
- No continuation dotted line across the earlier intersections
- No signage sayings it's a bike lane after those intersections

So no legal requirement to use it
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Re: Nooby traffic question

Postby swon38 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:35 pm

So merge into the lane going straight seems to be the go.

Not going to be easy the first time but I guess practice and common sense will prevail

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Re: Nooby traffic question

Postby wellington_street » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:47 am

Hi swon38 - you are required by law to move into the middle lane to go straight ahead.

Having said that, it is an absolutely moronic design and the person who implemented it should be fired as they are clearly incompetent at their job. All it requires is a "LLMTL - Bicycles Excepted" sign and road marking to make the situation safe, intuitive and legal.

I see so much utter garbage like this around that I feel like my head is going to explode.
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Re: Nooby traffic question

Postby il padrone » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:54 am

wellington_street wrote:Having said that, it is an absolutely moronic design and the person who implemented it should be fired as they are clearly incompetent at their job.

You reckon that one's bad? On a steep hill too.

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Re: Nooby traffic question

Postby wellington_street » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:09 pm

il padrone wrote:
wellington_street wrote:Having said that, it is an absolutely moronic design and the person who implemented it should be fired as they are clearly incompetent at their job.

You reckon that one's bad? On a steep hill too.

:roll: :evil:


That's a pretty horrible layout full stop. Although, I feel that they have actually tried to make it a little better for cyclists than the alternative of the left lane becoming a left turn lane.

Looking at the view a bit further back, I think it could definitely use some green paint to clearly define the path of cyclists proceeding straight ahead and reinforcing the requirement for left turning traffic to give way. A small amount of road widening would allow the green cycle lane to continue all the way to the stop line.

What else could you do here that is safer for cyclists but doesn't remove the two left turn lanes?

Also what's with the weird cycle markings further back on Boronia Road? Did they have a shortage of road paint and could only mark 10% of the lane instead of the whole thing?
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Re: Nooby traffic question

Postby Mulger bill » Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:30 pm

wellington_street wrote:Also what's with the weird cycle markings further back on Boronia Road? Did they have a shortage of road paint and could only mark 10% of the lane instead of the whole thing?

It'a a sop. It's there to convince some people that the council is doing something about provision of facilities. Worth less than a sharrow IMO.
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Re: Nooby traffic question

Postby il padrone » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:12 am

wellington_street wrote:Also what's with the weird cycle markings further back on Boronia Road? Did they have a shortage of road paint and could only mark 10% of the lane instead of the whole thing?

Those markings officially indicate that there is a wider left lane, wide enough for a car and a bike to share the lane safely. MB, in practice they are quite effective as most motorists interpret it as some sort of bike lane and do generally stay out of the left part of the lane. And they are put there by Vicroads, not the local council. I ride this section daily on my commute.

BTW, many Melbourne roadies ride this as part of their training runs to and from the '1 in 20' in the Dandenongs. However they are mostly doing it on the weekend, not in peak hour when the traffic volumes are heavy. I go straight through generally and pulling off that maneuver to the straight-through lane on the far right can be quite challenging. Mostly I ride up int the left-turn lanes and then switch across (illegally crossing the solid lane lines :roll: ) when I come to queued left-turn traffic, to stop in the left side of the straight-through lane.

I don't have any magic solution for cyclists. Some lane re-adjustment might allow enough space for a bike lane through, but won't hold my breath as the volume of cyclists out here is very low and the motor car rules :|
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