[POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confession
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[POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confession
Postby AUbicycles » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:44 pm
(thanks TomBikes for sharing the link)
The ongoing thread for this discussion is: Holy showtime Batman - Lance to admit doping?
On BNA a brief overview of the interview, what was admitted, what was not, what was avoided: Lance Armstrong Officially Confesses: “One Big Lie”
As soon as I spot a copy of Part One available I will post the link here if you didn't see it. Apparantly, highlights will be available here (though wern't working yet).
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby MarkG » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:50 pm
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby boss » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:56 pm
Exactly the same.MarkG wrote:I'll pass total judgement til I've seen the whole interview, but FWIW, he is already a lot more frank and open than I thought he'd be.
People are picking at certain things he didn't talk about, but yeah, on the whole I was surprised at the depth and openness.
I call !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! on him not being juiced during the comeback though. Statute of limitations? I guess the thing now is that we all know how well the guy lies. It's tough to know when he's telling the truth, unless it's being corroborated by others who have nothing to gain.
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby darkelf921 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:58 pm
+1MarkG wrote:I'll pass total judgement til I've seen the whole interview, but FWIW, he is already a lot more frank and open than I thought he'd be.
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby Sparx » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:15 pm
He said he was going to answer ALL questions but wouldn't answer questions about Betsy Andreu.
All of his talking about himself in the 3rd person as if another person was cheating.
I'm no fan of the UCI - mentioned many times - yet he donated money to them - he said he donated money only when he retired - WRONG - he donated in 2002 as well.
He is doing the bare minimum and betting on the Orah watching public not being informed.
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby rangersac » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:15 pm
Professional cycling was at a four lane arterial crossroad in 1999 after the Festina affair. Lance might've helped it go another way. Instead it looks so far that the limited confession line he's pursuing will merely keep the stench of doping in cycling lingering for more years to come.
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby MarkG » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:29 pm
The reality is, its only a 2 hour interview, and if you were hoping for a full detailed manifesto of how deep doping and corruption runs within the UCI, US Postal etc , I think it was always going to be asking a lot for a one off interview.
In the mind of Oprah and her network it's entertainment first, and investigative journalism second.
Just remember, Oprahs's previous guests on this segment have included Justin Bieber, Rihanna, and Linsay Lohan, so read in to that what you will.
I dare say that if or when a full royal commission in to corruption and sanctioned doping within the UCI ever happens, and Lance is called up, then you'll get the full inner workings of what happened in those bleak years.
As for the Betsy Andreu part, I've not seen it yet so I can't comment.
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby Apple » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:42 pm
Speak your mind,Those that mind dont matter, Those that matter dont mind!!
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Postby Marty Moose » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:07 pm
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Postby ball bearing » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:10 pm
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Postby MarkG » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:10 pm
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby roller » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:13 pm
she's seen it, she's not happy:MarkG wrote:IAs for the Betsy Andreu part, I've not seen it yet so I can't comment.
i'm going to vote on her behalf in this poll, will be voting with "not satisfied"
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Postby familyguy » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:17 pm
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby MarkG » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:18 pm
So has anyone actually seen the whole thing yet?
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Postby Marty Moose » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:41 pm
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby bianchi928 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:59 pm
Weak interview, self serving, full of avoidance. As if he can't remember that he/they sued Emma O'Reilly.
If you want to come clean, do it in front of USADA instead of some stage managed performance on a talk show.
Why didn't Oprah push the hospital confession. Just weak effort from both interviewer and interviewee.
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby sogood » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:08 pm
+1. Straight face tutorial.Apple wrote:I found it hard to watch, it was soooooooooooo Embarrassing
Otherwise I am finding it hard to judge whether I am satisfied with LA's confession. From some angles, it's not sufficient until he does a harakiri in front of Oprah. From other angles, this is a good and sufficient start for both himself and the whole sport.
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Postby AUbicycles » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:24 pm
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby Ozkaban » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:39 pm
That's what I took away from the interview.ball bearing wrote:Lance appears to me to be sorry that he was caught - not that he doped.
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Postby MarkG » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:46 pm
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby bianchi928 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:48 pm
+1.MarkG wrote:He's pretty adamant he didn't dope in '09 and '10 but then again, he was also adamant he'd never doped, period.
How can you believe anything he ever says again?
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby sogood » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:52 pm
From another angle with fact, doping was the prevail culture of cycling in Euroland in those days. And here comes a driven Texan who played their game in typical American corporate fashion (ie. Big money, MBA 101 and latest technology) and "won". It certainly turned the Euro Pros on their head and broke their dominance. With thinking like that, it's no surprise he would feel sorry that he got caught. Not saying he is right but just trying to analyse what's going on in his head. To me, it's all quite logical. And yes, JohanB is also a very intelligent man. Even with dope and bullying, what they did could not have been done without well above average levels of intellect. Reminds me of the movie "The Brain" (1969).bianchi928 wrote:I believe Armstrong is sorry. Sorry he got caught....
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby fatdudeonabike » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:04 pm
He neglected the earlier donations that he made to the UCI, all the while saying "I hate them, I'd tip them in." If he hates them, why did he give them money - on more than one occasion?
And how can he say he never tested positive right before admitting the backdated prescription for cortisone? For some reason he doesnt seem to consider cortisone a performance enhancing drug, because even when he was talking about the drugs he took, he'd only mention EPO, Testosterone (while justifying it) and transfusions.
Not to mention the cop out way that he answered questions about pressuring others into riding - Oprah called him on the semantics, but didn't call him on the outright lies, if you're prepared to believe a number of other whistleblowers.
I think I'll go out for a ride tomorrow at about 1pm, I dont really want to sit through any more of his crap.
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby liamb » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:03 pm
The other fact is he will never implicate anyone else as he will have been advised not to sink others who will be likely to sue/ work against him because the !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! will hit his fan no in a big way and he will not want anything or anyone working against him when his back is against the wall. He could also be liable if he implicates anyone and they have more money, better lawyers or the backing of USADA or WADA.
It was hard to listen to it as there are so many people who got burnt/ missed out on sponsorship, podiums, success. You only need to read the transcript of Nicole Cooke's retirement speech. Lance does not give a f&%k about the people like Cooke and those people will never get anything back for people like lance. It is still all about lance and will be for a long time.
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Re: [POLL] Are you satisfied with the Lance Armstrong Confes
Postby Ozkaban » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:06 pm
Best idea I've heard all day...fatdudeonabike wrote: I think I'll go out for a ride tomorrow at about 1pm, I dont really want to sit through any more of his crap.
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