city west path & othertaking
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby RoFlmaTiC » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:32 am
There were 2 very substantial puddles on the path where the water couldn't drain. I think this is going to be an issue going forward - the puddle covers most of the path, which is likely to cause westbound riders to veer into the wrong side of the path to avoid.
Sorta wishing they had retained the strip of sand to either side of the path as before - at least the water drained!
I wonder if those sprinklers near the cafe are still there - this could compound the problem!
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby wexford » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:29 am
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby eldavo » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:03 pm
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby uglybob » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:34 pm
negative! i thought it was complete as well - however i was a bit late to work today, and rode past approx 8am - detours back in place again, so more work is being done. no idea what, will see on the way home i assume.wexford wrote:Works appear to be complete now. Going through this morning, it's definitely now a slow/choke point which I trust was the intention. The marked lanes/lines are good, and because the lanes are so narrow there's a psychological barrier to overtaking especially near the western crossing point where, instead of a crosswalk, there's a Give Way sign at the choke into the chicane.
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby wexford » Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:34 pm
At any rate, there were cyclists and peds about and it was definitely slower getting through there than beforehand, which is a good sign.
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby eldavo » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:26 pm
I left work at 5pm and entered the Fools Tour de City West, passing the ludicrious Halo on Mount development dangerously encroaching on one of the fastest blindest high traffic sections of PSP around.
I was making my way to the crash location in question at near beginning of thread.
Along the way the next stupid thing I saw after Halo on Mount's negligence was a dangerous cliche - middle age road/race rider in white 'lycra' kit make a blind right turn off Murray Street path at race speed onto the short George Street up-hill PSP portion here http://goo.gl/maps/Q3E7q" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
All his awesomeness was in peak hour with people were queued at the crossing red light both sides of the and people riding downhill were emergency braking to avoid cut off collision with the rider in front of me.
going downhill to join the queue, missing a crash by luck not thanks to any safety space, time, or traffic skill.
From the Wellington Street lights heading to Market Street, a big rider in blue kit teamed with a small rider in red kit who was acting like a sprint marker/leader constantly looking back at his bigger blue chum while riding in oncoming lane with oncoming traffic in both lanes.
Oncoming riders and pedestrians were squeezed as big blue chum overtook pedestrians westbound, red little leader went 3 wide to clear him, and then remained in oncoming lane for another 3 bikes and a couple of pedestrians until the new chicanes, where they had to face the impossible task of KEEPING SINGLE FILE IN THEIR OWN LANE! Fortunately they weren't travelling quickly, but that made it even more painful to watch as they carried it on up to the next chicane and up the hill.
Since they weren't even cycling quickly I passed and said "keep left for oncoming bikes mate" and realised I should have said "oncoming traffic" because they were squeezing oncoming pedestrians off as well. I had to go extra wide to pass uphill obviously too. They kept on to Subiaco while I took the Thomas Rd. overpass towards Leederville PSP so I didn't get any confrontational response.
In response to the other thread "enough is enough" about the futility of the situation, I think I (we) could keep a little "helper" leaflet kept on the bike with the road traffic act, the excerpts of the relevant laws, and maybe the Main Roads guide with our own improvements targeting these things is the least confrontational most positive 'education' attempt I could think of. I recall a rider had done some leaflet for other riders or cars about some other issue.
This can be like a yellow card, means no need to shout, have them get their back up, etc. etc. and spell it out clearly. Maybe a red card "don't be a f-wit" version that makes the message less politely and more boldly in larger print with less words and more middle finger gestures by famous cartoon characters. Johnny Chimpo is what I would use on my red card flyer.
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby uglybob » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:32 am
i'm going to try & change my daily ride to avoid that path from now on, its just getting worse & worse, and it won't be long before there is another serious accident
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby stealthbike » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:17 pm
Not sure if it is any worse than before but I don't think it is much safer. The problem of pedestrians and cyclists crossing still exists and still requires cyclists to decide to give way (which doesn't happen often). I see cyclists ride on the wrong side of the chicane to avoid pedestrians and slower cyclists. The sign posts are all too high to read without looking up deliberately, so most cyclists and pedestrians would not even realise what they say. Downhill speed is still an issue. Nothing has been done to address the high volume of pedestrians and cyclists interacting between the train station and Harbourtown.the re-working of the path has done nothing towards making it any safer - if anything its even made it worse than before.
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby Baalzamon » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:52 pm
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby Thoglette » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:02 pm
Having had a run-in with a wet brick speedhump (covered in wet leaves) this week all I can say is "ouch!"Baalzamon wrote:Cobblestone it
Seriously, I refer you to my previous comment: provide fly over/under as per Leederville station.
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby uglybob » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:29 pm
the west leedy station has the fly-over, but also has a much, much smaller volume of traffic as well - i'd be interested to see if that would solve the issue (AT) city west, as i think if you put the same amount of people in & around the west leedy station, you'd strike a lot of issuesThoglette wrote:Having had a run-in with a wet brick speedhump (covered in wet leaves) this week all I can say is "ouch!"Baalzamon wrote:Cobblestone it
Seriously, I refer you to my previous comment: provide fly over/under as per Leederville station.
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby Thoglette » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:46 pm
I concur that there are still problems at W/L - there's still interaction between the path and pax exiting/acccessing station at two points. (And buckets of leaves)uglybob wrote:the west leedy station has the fly-over, but also has a much, much smaller volume of traffic as well - i'd be interested to see if that would solve the issue (AT) city west, as i think if you put the same amount of people in & around the west leedy station, you'd strike a lot of issues
West Perth needs under/over passes at both ends. Probably bury PSP at the West end and put stairs over PSP at east end.
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby uglybob » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:27 pm
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby Clownshoes » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:42 pm
But government departments are the ones who allocate budgets for these kind of things - bridges are very expensiveorbeas wrote:+1 your making common sence, gov departments lack itThoglette wrote:It works well at West Leedervilleorbeas wrote: Build a bridge over the cross walk?
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby Thoglette » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:42 pm
Ask the MRD. They seem to have lots of money for bridges. (funny as I don't recall them ever making a profit)Clownshoes wrote:But government departments are the ones who allocate budgets for these kind of things - bridges are very expensive
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:23 am
I don't excuse motorists for failing to check the left hand cyclists lane when turning left just bercause it is inconvenient. By the same token if cyclists are riding the drops in such a manner that they do not observe normal signage then it is encumbent on them to address that. When I rode on the drops I still managed to watch in front of me while still maintaining situational awareness generally.stealthbike wrote:Not sure if it is any worse than before but I don't think it is much safer. The problem of pedestrians and cyclists crossing still exists and still requires cyclists to decide to give way (which doesn't happen often). I see cyclists ride on the wrong side of the chicane to avoid pedestrians and slower cyclists. The sign posts are all too high to read without looking up deliberately, so most cyclists and pedestrians would not even realise what they say. Downhill speed is still an issue. Nothing has been done to address the high volume of pedestrians and cyclists interacting between the train station and Harbourtown.the re-working of the path has done nothing towards making it any safer - if anything its even made it worse than before.
I haven't been there since the works. But I never found any difficulty in reading the signage. And my recollection is that it was heavily (some may say excessively) signed so I find it hard to imagine total unawareness even if the odd sign is missed. Or am I missing something - have they elevated the signage way above normal?
I take what I think you are suggesting however - cyclist DO do stupid things despite what you do. And so you can be hit even when you are doing everything right. The only way I see to improve this is to subject us to police observation and prosecutions commensurate with that applying to cars.
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby wexford » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:26 pm
Heading east (downhill) the give way sign is elevated and obscured by some foliage. A "give way" sign painted on the path (if it's possible to reproduce the regular traffic sign in paint?) would be useful. Of course, it's pretty obvious that there's a traffic hazard ahead with the roundabout-y chicane-y arrangement, so anyone hitting it at speed is clearly stupid.ColinOldnCranky wrote:I haven't been there since the works. But I never found any difficulty in reading the signage. And my recollection is that it was heavily (some may say excessively) signed so I find it hard to imagine total unawareness even if the odd sign is missed. Or am I missing something - have they elevated the signage way above normal?
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby Spoked » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:56 am
Signage painted on the path leaves no doubt that you should slow down and keep a look out at least going downhill, can't recall the uphill signage as I was going rather slow fighting gravity in the heat and pushing into a headwind.
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Re: city west path & othertaking
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby Baalzamon » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:51 pm
I do hope they do that to force cyclists to slow down at that dangerous spotBakks wrote:Judging by the work and signage this morning, it looks like they are now going to install speed humps.
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Re: city west path & othertaking
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby rolandp » Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:56 am
The path was closed when I rode through yesterday at 7:50am for the spraying of green paint on these crossings. Unclear why this work needed to occur in peak hour for both peds and cyclists.
With the green paint, the yellow curbing, the raised signs and the slow down signs on the path, don't forget to wear your sun glasses to reduce the clash of colours.
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby uglybob » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:30 am
instead i was left with a couple of morons with earphone in who decided to try ride me off the path instead
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Re: city west path & othertaking
Postby eldavo » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:39 pm
I can recommend an even more pleasant detour up the hill for an apple/cinnamon/raisin scroll
I was a bit late for work so emailed the photo to boss hoping honest humour was better than being run off path excuse like Uglybob
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