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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:59 am

jules21 wrote:
il padrone wrote:Would have stopped and had a quiet, pointed chat with them :wink:

they were offered some polite advice by myself and the cyclist on my wheel. i just questioned whether that was sensible of them. i prefer to let people make their own minds up rather than abuse them.

Not suggesting any abuse at all :?

Just think it is better to stop and talk rather than calling out while riding off. Something along the lines of "You know this is a path for people traveling through. There is plenty of chat-space over there ------>>"
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:05 am

il padrone wrote:
jules21 wrote:i prefer to let people make their own minds up rather than abuse them.

Not suggesting any abuse at all :?

sorry, freudian slip :)
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Livetoride » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:18 am

jules21 wrote:check out these numpties.. "this is as good a place as any to stop for a chat" some people need a good slap across the side of the head :mrgreen:

Problem with that then, is they still wouldn't understand.... :(
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:19 am

Livetoride wrote:
jules21 wrote:check out these numpties.. "this is as good a place as any to stop for a chat" some people need a good slap across the side of the head :mrgreen:
Problem with that then, is they still wouldn't understand.... :(

maybe what i meant was, "i feel the need to give them a good slap across the side of the head" :mrgreen:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Summernight » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:47 am

malnar wrote:This is the dog that bit me. The owner knows it chases cyclists, yet he has it off lead. Possibly a pit bull...

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q53 ... 1358200921


That photo is great - rabid dog and everything - it looks positively terrifying. I am amazed by how long and how fast that dog could run. And your video camera of the next day's confrontation is priceless - you even have the dog chasing another bike right on camera (in addition to yours).

I'd love to hear an update after you report it to both the Police and the Dangerous Dogs hotline. Good thing is those people seem to walk their dogs there everyday so hopefully they can be identified when the authorities take it further.

I wonder at people who allow their dogs to do that. I mean, that dog clearly looks like a pit bull or pit bull cross - considering all the news and bad press about them and the new strict rules regarding their existence in Australia, you would have thought that they'd want to make sure to keep attention away from their dog/s, especially if it is unregistered and a pit bull...

Oh, and just checking (I may have missed it in your previous posts) - you took photos of your bite wounds too?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:50 am

those owners are the epitome of selfish dog owners. the way they act as if their dogs' behaviour is safe and normal, despite clear evidence to the contrary, just highlights the arrogance of owners who have convinced themselves that they aren't really responsible for their dogs' behaviour.

she is probably right about some cyclists going too fast, but this justifies their dogs' behaviour... how? :roll:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby wellington_street » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:03 pm

Are dog and owner there regularly? Ride past in hi-vis and steel caps and if doggy gives you any grief, break its jaw with a kick in the head. I've had to do similar when attacked by a dog (albeit not on a bike at the time).
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jules21 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:10 pm

wellington_street wrote:Are dog and owner there regularly? Ride past in hi-vis and steel caps and if doggy gives you any grief, break its jaw with a kick in the head. I've had to do similar when attacked by a dog (albeit not on a bike at the time).

the dog isn't the guilty party though..
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby wellington_street » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:18 pm

jules21 wrote:
wellington_street wrote:Are dog and owner there regularly? Ride past in hi-vis and steel caps and if doggy gives you any grief, break its jaw with a kick in the head. I've had to do similar when attacked by a dog (albeit not on a bike at the time).

the dog isn't the guilty party though..


Yes and no.

It can't be held to the same accountability as a human for its actions but at the same time if I'm being attacked by a dog, I'm not letting it bite me because it's 'not the guilty party' - I'm defending myself.

The dog is also put down if it is determined to be dangerous.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby malnar » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:36 pm

Summernight wrote:
malnar wrote:This is the dog that bit me. The owner knows it chases cyclists, yet he has it off lead. Possibly a pit bull...

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q53 ... 1358200921


That photo is great - rabid dog and everything - it looks positively terrifying. I am amazed by how long and how fast that dog could run. And your video camera of the next day's confrontation is priceless - you even have the dog chasing another bike right on camera (in addition to yours).

I'd love to hear an update after you report it to both the Police and the Dangerous Dogs hotline. Good thing is those people seem to walk their dogs there everyday so hopefully they can be identified when the authorities take it further.

I wonder at people who allow their dogs to do that. I mean, that dog clearly looks like a pit bull or pit bull cross - considering all the news and bad press about them and the new strict rules regarding their existence in Australia, you would have thought that they'd want to make sure to keep attention away from their dog/s, especially if it is unregistered and a pit bull...

Oh, and just checking (I may have missed it in your previous posts) - you took photos of your bite wounds too?



Yep I love the start of that next day's footage. First thing you see is a cyclist....closely followed by those same two dogs. :roll: And as I arrive to talk to the owner I overhear him talking to his wife about yesterday's incident. Classic.

When it took off to follow the child on the tanden my heart was in my mouth, & he is just in complete denial.

Dangerous dogs hotline referred it to the council. I don't think they are doing anything on top of what the council will do (the council may engage them down the track). I've got an appointment with the council soon where I will make a statement & hand over the footage.

I have got a photo of the bite & a medical report.

I have been riding that path morning & afternoon nearly everyday for the past 18 months & those are the only two days I've seen them.

Since the tragic case of the little girl being mauled to death, dangerous dog laws have been passed in Vic which require pit bulls & some other breeds to be registered as dangerous dogs. Such dogs are not allowed off lead in public places full stop. I'm not sure if these are pit bulls but they could be. I can't see any rego tags at all on the footage.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby herzog » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:42 pm

malnar wrote:When it took off to follow the child on the tanden my heart was in my mouth, & he is just in complete denial.



I reckon that is the point at which you should probably be taking it to the police as a matter of urgency.

Based on your evidence, (which is incredible) there's a reasonable chance that a child will be mauled by these mongrels. Your testimony and video is a rare opportunity to prevent this before it happens.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby il padrone » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:04 pm

wellington_street wrote:
jules21 wrote:
wellington_street wrote:Are dog and owner there regularly? Ride past in hi-vis and steel caps and if doggy gives you any grief, break its jaw with a kick in the head. I've had to do similar when attacked by a dog (albeit not on a bike at the time).

the dog isn't the guilty party though..


Yes and no.

It can't be held to the same accountability as a human for its actions but at the same time if I'm being attacked by a dog, I'm not letting it bite me because it's 'not the guilty party' - I'm defending myself.

The dog is also put down if it is determined to be dangerous.

Put down the dog. Kick the owner in the head and break his jaw .
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:23 pm

il padrone wrote:Put down the dog. Kick the owner in the head and break his jaw .

if only we were allowed...
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Summernight » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:49 pm

malnar wrote:Yep I love the start of that next day's footage. First thing you see is a cyclist....closely followed by those same two dogs. :roll: And as I arrive to talk to the owner I overhear him talking to his wife about yesterday's incident. Classic.

When it took off to follow the child on the tanden my heart was in my mouth, & he is just in complete denial.

Dangerous dogs hotline referred it to the council. I don't think they are doing anything on top of what the council will do (the council may engage them down the track). I've got an appointment with the council soon where I will make a statement & hand over the footage.

I have got a photo of the bite & a medical report.

I have been riding that path morning & afternoon nearly everyday for the past 18 months & those are the only two days I've seen them.

Since the tragic case of the little girl being mauled to death, dangerous dog laws have been passed in Vic which require pit bulls & some other breeds to be registered as dangerous dogs. Such dogs are not allowed off lead in public places full stop. I'm not sure if these are pit bulls but they could be. I can't see any rego tags at all on the footage.


Apologies, yes Victorian laws. I'm in Victoria too. My bad saying Australia-wide. :oops:
Pity that it seems they aren't regulars to the park (and easy to catch). Although maybe that is a good thing as when they are there they cause such problems. Am I right in saying they haven't been there any day after you confronted them?

Hopefully the council will investigate and give you a number that you can call if you ride past and they are there again (so a council officer can come pay them a visit while they're at the park).
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Mulger bill » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:07 pm

As a dog owner and lover, I must object to some of the generalisations of dog owners being bandied about but having seen the footage, I have no objection to that dropkick being described by any and every insult known. :roll: Like many of that kind of bloke owning that kind of dog, he no doubt feels that an intimidating, powerful, male dog compensates for other inadequacies.

While he is a tool, he is clearly not an idiot, he has stopped using the area because he knows plod or ranger may be lurking. No doubt the problem has been shifted elsewhere.

While my bitch, (Shepherd/LabX) is well trained and socialised, I never let her off leash except in the front yard. You can never 100% guarantee a dogs behaviour and the thought of her hurting an innocent makes me feel ill.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby g-boaf » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:16 pm

jules21 wrote:check out these numpties.. "this is as good a place as any to stop for a chat" some people need a good slap across the side of the head :mrgreen:


Not too bad - nobody hurt, plenty of time to see them and slow down to avoid them. If only they were all as easy as that.


malnar wrote:And the video. F word warning at 4:53:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qoHHts8v7Yw


Cripes - those dogs are bad!! Not only got you - went after someone else who you got on camera and then the tandem too! It took a lot of calling for him to get the dog to come back. :shock:

I haven't had any large dog chases but I have had a few smaller ones on leads rear up and angrily bark/growl. :shock: it's good you got that all on camera.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby find_bruce » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:56 pm

I was a dumb cyclist today - was riding over the Anzac Bridge, overtaking a pedestrian just past the dog leg, thought I had left plenty of room for the cyclist coming the other way, but when I was looking at my gopro footage tonight, it appears there was less room than I thought. If you were the attractive lady in a white cycling top, then please accept my apologies.

I now have the camera set up below the handlebars which coincidentally shows the front wheel. While I thought I stopped completely at stop lights, the video suggests otherwise.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby KenGS » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:01 pm

find_bruce wrote:I was a dumb cyclist today - was riding over the Anzac Bridge, overtaking a pedestrian just past the dog leg, thought I had left plenty of room for the cyclist coming the other way, but when I was looking at my gopro footage tonight, it appears there was less room than I thought. If you were the attractive lady in a white cycling top, then please accept my apologies.

It's a natural response to veer in the direction you are perv... errr looking :lol:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby find_bruce » Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:22 am

find_bruce wrote:I was a dumb cyclist today - was riding over the Anzac Bridge, overtaking a pedestrian just past the dog leg, thought I had left plenty of room for the cyclist coming the other way, but when I was looking at my gopro footage tonight, it appears there was less room than I thought. If you were the attractive lady in a white cycling top, then please accept my apologies.

KenGS wrote:It's a natural response to veer in the direction you are perv... errr looking :lol:

Who me ??? never :oops:

Had an amusing encounter on Pyrmont Bridge this morning - cyclist coming towards me, pedestrians on either side of him, so we both stopped & was told to "keep left" Nothing wrong with that & sage advice to be sure, the only minor problem was that he was pointing to my right at the time. Mate if you don't know your left from your right, it's no wonder you might have difficulty negotiating around other vehicles. :roll:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby cp123 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:20 am

Malnar that is appalling!!! He seemed all sorry and apologetic, but then turned to blame the othe fast ones and then when he "suddenly didn't believe you"... :evil:

IF he knows they chase things, then why in god's name doesn't he just put them on the string.


I hope you get him for all its worth. Please keep us all updated on what happens.

Remember when he said to come to his house to get your money, and he kind of said "up there" or whatever it was, you might be able to identify where the up there was if that'll help locating them. Of course he might go to another park now if he thinks there might be a cop or a ranger out there.

Do you have a community newspaper where you are? We do, and if there was you could potentially do a "has anyone had any trouble with brown and white mixed breed dogs on the shared path at xyz?" in that paper You never know if there are 1 or 20 other people out there that have had a chomping too. Would love to know what council do.... :twisted:
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby herzog » Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:26 am

That's actually a good idea. Ring the news desk at one of the local papers and get them onto the story.

The footage is spectacularly incriminating so the local tag would love it.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby fatdudeonabike » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:48 pm

The last three pages of this thread are disgusting.

For a group of people (ie. cyclists) who hate being pidgeon-holed with the idiots featured in the previous 147 pages, you're doing exactly the same thing to dog owners. This is hypocrisy at its worst.

Those of you advocating violence towards the dog are worse people than the owner. If you harm the dog, it'll be you that cops the brunt of the law - and you'll deserve it.

SOME dog owners are terrible, just as SOME cyclists are terrible.

The dog isn't to blame here, and it doesn't deserve any of you kicking him.

And it's not even as simple as saying it's all the owners fault, much as you all want to think it is - is that actually a bike path that you're riding on? Why the hell is there a bike path going through an off-leash area? That's the approach that you should be taking - asking the council about this.

Anyone advocating vigilantism towards the dog or owner is worse than the owner.

Agreed - this dog shouldn't be off a leash.
Agreed - the guy sounded like a knob.
Agreed - the woman there was beyond ridiculous, whinging about speeding cyclists justifying the dog bite.

But there's NO call for anyone to advocate violence against a dog who is following his instincts, because he hasn't been trained otherwise.

There's also NO call to lump me as a dog owner in with these dog owners. I even let my dog off in areas that aren't designated as off-leash - because she's never more than 5 metres from me. She knows to stop walking as soon as I stop walking. She comes when she's called. She's even trained not to walk on the path, but to walk on the grass next to me while I walk on the path.

Just as we want people to criticise the cyclist, and not "cyclists" - you need to criticise this dog owner, not "dog owners". And certainly not the dog.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby Percrime » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:35 pm

In what alternative universe do you live where the use of reasonable force against that dog would not be self defence?
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby jasonc » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:52 pm

Percrime wrote:In what alternative universe do you live where the use of reasonable force against that dog would not be self defence?


+1. dog on leash and under control would mean no self defense is required. kicking the owner won't get the dog off you. kicking the dog will. edit: example removed as now you're seeing me as a bully rather than defending someone in my care that requires defending.
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Re: The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...

Postby fatdudeonabike » Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:06 pm

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As was the "person" who was saying with pride that they would kick the dog and break it's jaw.

I'm not defending the owner - I will defend the dog. He doesn't know any better, and he doesn't deserve scumbags thinking it's their right to kick him when he's just doing what he knows.

Here's another way to look at it - if you don't want to be accosted by dogs off leashes, don't ride through an off leash dog park.


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