Donky bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
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Donky bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby mddawson » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:07 pm
It looks like it could be quite handy for inner city dwellers although it is a bit pricey: http://donkybike.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby RonK » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:47 pm
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby il padrone » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:55 pm
Good looks doesn't really enter into the equationA NEW UTILITY VEHICLE
Mind you, I reckon the classic butchers/bakers bike would do the job even better
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby Lukeyboy » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:40 am
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby il padrone » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:49 am
...as would the flat-pack luggage racks.
Get it through your skull guys - it's not a carbon race bike or some poseur fixie
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby Lukeyboy » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:14 am
Yeah. It's just the Great Wall Ute of bicyclesil padrone wrote:Get it through your skull guys - it's not a carbon race bike or some poseur fixie
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby warthog1 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:29 am
I'd take one of those Dutch bikes with the large carrier at the front over that yellow peril of the bike world
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby warthog1 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:40 am
Get it through yours, we know that and it's still ugly as a hat full of r soles.il padrone wrote:
Get it through your skull guys - it's not a carbon race bike or some poseur fixie
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby WyvernRH » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:37 am
Well I am a Mech Eng and you are right, the design is not ideal. I would have omitted the b'bracket to main beam tube and substituted a b'bracket to bottom of head tube run. Maybe bring the top diagonal back to the seat tube/main beam junction or beef up the head tube and omit it entirely?warthog1 wrote:I'm not an engineer but that point where the 2 triangles meet between the handlebars and seat looks like a weak point. I would have thought it could have been designed a bit stronger in a bike designed to lug a lot of weight.
One can only assume that they have made the main beam sufficiently chunky in material to take all the twisting and bending stresses (ie heavy)
I have to agree with Il Padrone and Warthog, the British and the Dutch solved this problem (sans folding ) 100 years ago.
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby Chuck » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:43 am
Those who have bagged it MUST be lycra warriors or hipster's. They wouldn't have called it ugly because that is actually their opinion, how silly would that be.il padrone wrote:Get it through your skull guys - it's not a carbon race bike or some poseur fixie
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby silentbutdeadly » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:57 am
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby outnabike » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:28 am
If it comes to centre of gravity though, the donkey has the advantage of the rear load area for stability. I see the front rack as being too far forward of the handle bars which lessens the steering geometry by placing weight too far forward. Cabling looks pretty ordinary as a display as well.
The steering being independent of the load may be a good idea as well. The butchers bike would probably be more weight sensitive steering wise.
Would be interesting to get a ride on the two units with equal loads on them.
The butchers bike has the basket nicely sloping back to the bars for stability. But the two are designed to take different cargoes no doubt. Jut my thoughts.
On the bright side, what a great little ped bouncer!!!
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby il padrone » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:37 am
The butchers bike also has the load independent of the steering. Small front wheel and raked fork gives sedate steering while the seating further back with trailing handlebars allows for the rider's weight to balance the load weight.outnabike wrote:The steering being independent of the load may be a good idea as well. The butchers bike would probably be more weight sensitive steering wise.
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby warthog1 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:17 pm
Thanks, I can't work out why they made it so butt ugly if there is no valid engineering reason behind it.WyvernRH wrote: Well I am a Mech Eng and you are right, the design is not ideal. I would have omitted the b'bracket to main beam tube and substituted a b'bracket to bottom of head tube run. Maybe bring the top diagonal back to the seat tube/main beam junction or beef up the head tube and omit it entirely?
One can only assume that they have made the main beam sufficiently chunky in material to take all the twisting and bending stresses (ie heavy)
I have to agree with Il Padrone and Warthog, the British and the Dutch solved this problem (sans folding ) 100 years ago.
Cheers
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby Mulger bill » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:27 pm
As an anti theft measurewarthog1 wrote:Thanks, I can't work out why they made it so butt ugly if there is no valid engineering reason behind it.
'Druther a Bakfiets or Bullitt any day of the week...
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby il padrone » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:33 pm
But you won't get much of one for 499 pounds sterling .
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby Mulger bill » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:37 pm
Bright side, it aint gonna fold at a weak point any too soon.
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby zero » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:57 pm
Its actually a fairly neat package, if you have a load that can be broken in two. ie it trades off largest possible volume of single object compared to a bake fiets for significantly reduced storage requirements of the bike itself (bakefiets is often a car replacement such is its volume consumption in the garage).warthog1 wrote:Thanks, I can't work out why they made it so butt ugly if there is no valid engineering reason behind it.WyvernRH wrote: Well I am a Mech Eng and you are right, the design is not ideal. I would have omitted the b'bracket to main beam tube and substituted a b'bracket to bottom of head tube run. Maybe bring the top diagonal back to the seat tube/main beam junction or beef up the head tube and omit it entirely?
One can only assume that they have made the main beam sufficiently chunky in material to take all the twisting and bending stresses (ie heavy)
I have to agree with Il Padrone and Warthog, the British and the Dutch solved this problem (sans folding ) 100 years ago.
Cheers
Richard
I actually don't mind the tube treatments on it - I dislike the disjointed bars some designers use around a central boom like that, I would personally be much reassured by the level of reinforcement to the steering tube should I have cause to yank on the brakes, which has come without needing a top tube (don't want top tubes on utility bikes).
I'd struggle to ride a yellow bike with an upside down tonka logo on it though.
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby HappyHumber » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:22 pm
Mind you... being 6'2" most 20" wheel bikes have always deterred me personally.
Oh, and as to the original topic question; I think it's more a Suzuki Mighty Boy vs. a real Ute
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby RonK » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:26 pm
'Druther one of these...Mulger bill wrote:As an anti theft measurewarthog1 wrote:Thanks, I can't work out why they made it so butt ugly if there is no valid engineering reason behind it.
'Druther a Bakfiets or Bullitt any day of the week...
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Re: Donky bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby mddawson » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:42 pm
They also make the Double Dutch:
and the Filibus that appears to be a modern take of the butcher/baker bike:
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Re: Donky bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby WyvernRH » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:34 pm
See! they didn't let the graphic artists have a say in the frame design on that one!mddawson wrote:Spotted a similar Dutch bike - the Dutch ID Lorri:
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby liquor box » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:48 pm
do you have to lean into every corner? how do you change direction of the front wheel?il padrone wrote:Bullitt.... YEAH!
But you won't get much of one for 499 pounds sterling .
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Re: Donkey bike - the cycling equivalent of the ute?
Postby HappyHumber » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:20 pm
there's a linkage underneath the frame adjoining the handlebars to to the iddy-biddy fork at front. Not at all obvious from this pic.liquor box wrote:do you have to lean into every corner? how do you change direction of the front wheel?
This pic from the latter stages of a DIY/Build your own project may explain it better visually for you. Complete article here.
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