If we were suffering bicycle congestion on bike paths would you consider more building bicycle pathways a reasonable response?find_bruce wrote:To quote Mulger Bill quoting someone else, building roads to reduce congestion is like buying a bigger belt to cure obesitywizdofaus wrote:Updated the article to change the focus of that point - that even if there's space to build enough roads to reduce congestion, often there's simply not the budget for it.
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby Mulger bill » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:27 pm
This is the best I could do at short noticeDan wrote:Bad news Ken, I think you missed the irony. Mods, still waiting for the :Alanis: smiley...KenGS wrote:Bad news Dan. This is an internet forum.
If somebody with some skills wants to shrink and tidy it a bit more ...
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby Mulger bill » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:30 pm
Of course it is, cycling does not cause obesity.wizdofaus wrote:If we were suffering bicycle congestion on bike paths would you consider more building bicycle pathways a reasonable response?find_bruce wrote:To quote Mulger Bill quoting someone else, building roads to reduce congestion is like buying a bigger belt to cure obesitywizdofaus wrote:Updated the article to change the focus of that point - that even if there's space to build enough roads to reduce congestion, often there's simply not the budget for it.
Bigger beltways for cyclists NOW!
Thanks for properly attributing that quote for me Pete
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby Dan » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:58 pm
Mulger bill wrote:This is the best I could do at short noticeDan wrote:Bad news Ken, I think you missed the irony. Mods, still waiting for the :Alanis: smiley...KenGS wrote:Bad news Dan. This is an internet forum.
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby KenGS » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:59 pm
What does Hercule Poirot have to do with it?Mulger bill wrote:This is the best I could do at short noticeDan wrote:Bad news Ken, I think you missed the irony. Mods, still waiting for the :Alanis: smiley...KenGS wrote:Bad news Dan. This is an internet forum.
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby high_tea » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:01 pm
That's totally Salvador Dali.KenGS wrote:Mulger bill wrote:
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[img]<a%20class="vglnk"%20title="Link%20added%20by%20VigLink"%20target="_blank"%20rel="nofollow"%20href="http://i48.tinypic.com/kbcfw1.jpg[/img][/quote"><span>http</span><span>://</span><span>i48</span><span>.</span><span>tinypic</span><span>.</span><span>com</span><span>/</span><span>kbcfw1</span><span>.</span><span>jpg</span><span>[/</span><span>img</span><span>][/</span><span>quote</span></a>]
What does Hercule Poirot have to do with it?
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby il padrone » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:28 pm
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby Mulger bill » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:33 pm
More surreal than ironic then?high_tea wrote:KenGS wrote:That's totally Salvador Dali.Mulger bill wrote:
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Maybe if I was to append a fixie...
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby il padrone » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:39 pm
That looks more like Manuel smiley - "I am from Barcelona...."Mulger bill wrote:
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby find_bruce » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:56 pm
wizdofaus wrote:Updated the article to change the focus of that point - that even if there's space to build enough roads to reduce congestion, often there's simply not the budget for it.
Thanks IP I fixed that for mefind_bruce wrote:To misquote Mulger Bill misquoting someone else, building roads to reduce congestion is like buying a bigger belt to cure obesity
While I am tempted to laugh at the idea of bicycle congestion in Australia, it is a real issue in cities such as Amsterdam and Copenhagen.wizdofaus wrote:If we were suffering bicycle congestion on bike paths would you consider more building bicycle pathways a reasonable response?
Whether building more bicycle pathways is a reasonable response will depend entirely upon what is the cause of the congestion - eg one of the solutions in Copenhagen was the "green wave" of lights to increase the flow of bikes at 20 kph rather than stop, start.
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby wizdofaus » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:48 am
Actually you'd be surprised. I ride right through the city on my way to work now, and at peak hour you can easily miss a traffic light change for the number of bicycles queued up in front of you. And I can't move any quicker through that stretch of the journey than other cyclists that are much slower than me (but still much quicker than in a car).find_bruce wrote: While I am tempted to laugh at the idea of bicycle congestion in Australia, it is a real issue in cities such as Amsterdam and Copenhagen.
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby wizdofaus » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:12 am
Funny, while I have nothing but admiration (and some jealousy) for the success of many European cities in encouraging cycling as a mainstream method of commuting - I almost feel like I wouldn't fit in there, because there are so few cyclists on the city roads and streets that do the whole road-bike/cleats/lycra thing, and personally for me, that's just a far more pleasurable (and practical) way of getting around.outnabike wrote:From that video , it doesn't look necessary to wear lycra, so I can cross that off my list. Helmets off my list, Mudguards are on. Bit of an eye opener.
In Melbourne there's actually a good mix of cyclists of all sorts. Just not enough of us.
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby outnabike » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:33 pm
wizdofaus wrote:Funny, while I have nothing but admiration (and some jealousy) for the success of many European cities in encouraging cycling as a mainstream method of commuting - I almost feel like I wouldn't fit in there, because there are so few cyclists on the city roads and streets that do the whole road-bike/cleats/lycra thing, and personally for me, that's just a far more pleasurable (and practical) way of getting around.outnabike wrote:From that video , it doesn't look necessary to wear lycra, so I can cross that off my list. Helmets off my list, Mudguards are on. Bit of an eye opener.
In Melbourne there's actually a good mix of cyclists of all sorts. Just not enough of us.
They are sure marching to the beat of a different drum. And It's nice to see all the bso's in lieu of the racing type bikes as well. If the common man hopped on a bike and joined the other cyclists we would have a greater presence on the road.
Different riding circumstances I know. My friends from Holland also ride step through's as well. Just working folk with no prejudices.
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby il padrone » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:51 pm
All the road racers will be out there, riding the roadsters for their commute. It is just what works and is so much easier to do, fitting in with the social and business infrastructure. On the weekend or after-hours they will get out their road bikes and cycling gear for racing or training.wizdofaus wrote:Funny, while I have nothing but admiration (and some jealousy) for the success of many European cities in encouraging cycling as a mainstream method of commuting - I almost feel like I wouldn't fit in there, because there are so few cyclists on the city roads and streets that do the whole road-bike/cleats/lycra thing,outnabike wrote:From that video , it doesn't look necessary to wear lycra, so I can cross that off my list. Helmets off my list, Mudguards are on. Bit of an eye opener.
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby KenGS » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:25 pm
It's a bit harsh to call them BSO's but it is nice to see people on functional town bikesoutnabike wrote:And It's nice to see all the bso's in lieu of the racing type bikes as well.
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby outnabike » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:46 pm
I am still trying to find where I fit in as I only have those uncommon Randonneur bars.
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby Mulger bill » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:14 pm
Watching that vid made me think of a time machine...find_bruce wrote:While I am tempted to laugh at the idea of bicycle congestion in Australia, it is a real issue in cities such as Amsterdam and Copenhagen.
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby skull » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:16 pm
head out of the cities and join the bunch rides to get the lycra fix.wizdofaus wrote:I almost feel like I wouldn't fit in there, because there are so few cyclists on the city roads and streets that do the whole road-bike/cleats/lycra thing,
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby wizdofaus » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:31 pm
Of course, but it's how I get around the city too - I make trips between 10-30km almost every day, and certainly if I'm travelling 30 km on a hot day, I wouldn't want to do it in casual clothes on a commuter bike.skull wrote:head out of the cities and join the bunch rides to get the lycra fix.wizdofaus wrote:I almost feel like I wouldn't fit in there, because there are so few cyclists on the city roads and streets that do the whole road-bike/cleats/lycra thing,
Anyway, it's on my bucket list to spend a year living in some European city with that sort of bicycle culture, so I'll get back to you in 5 or 10 years
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby il padrone » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:03 pm
30 kilometres in Copenhagen will take you well out into the surrounding countryside.wizdofaus wrote:Of course, but it's how I get around the city too - I make trips between 10-30km almost every day,
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby wizdofaus » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:47 pm
Actually that map suggests that the built-up extent of Copenhagen is pretty close to 30 km from one extreme to the other. And I gather in the Netherlands you could easily travel through 30 km or more of mostly contiguous urban areas, e.g. from The Hague to Rotterdam.il padrone wrote:30 kilometres in Copenhagen will take you well out into the surrounding countryside.wizdofaus wrote:Of course, but it's how I get around the city too - I make trips between 10-30km almost every day,
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
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It would indeed help to get people more fit and it might improve the traffic. On my way in to work each day, I see heaps of space that could be converted into a great shared use path along Parramatta Road, and portions alongside it are already shared use in certain areas (around Five Dock if I remember right), which I didn't know until I started having to get along there each day in the last few weeks in the traffic.
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
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Re: 5 reasons you should ride to work, and 5 you probably do
Postby il padrone » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:41 am
Copenhagen.
Portland, Oregon.
Perhaps Bogota.
Many of the Chinese cities have gone in the reverse direction
*But that will put this in the MHL thread
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