The Dumb Cyclists and Pedestrians thread...
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Postby bychosis » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:52 am
Method approaching pedestrians requiring bell: sit up/move hand and slow, attempt to ring bell twice (sometimes misfires), cover the brakes, use voice if required, use controls to avoid incident, then get back down and ride off into the next situation.
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Postby g-boaf » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:25 am
I knew someone would say that - and I was almost going to say it in a sarcastic manner. This last comment "If you have problems doing so then consider getting flat bars or some other bars that suit your abilities." just seems particularly like flame-bait, or deliberately provocative and rude. I'm sure Twizzle is particularly skilled at riding a bike.human909 wrote:Anywhere you wish to. Surely you can move your hands. If you have problems doing so then consider getting flat bars or some other bars that suit your abilities.twizzle wrote:On a drop bar roadie, where would you suggest placing the bell so that I can ring a bell while still being able to reach the brake?
(I'm not advocating the need for bells. But the logic of "I have drop-bars therefore I can't use a bell" seems a little bizarre.)
Anyhow, wasn't this a thread about dumb cyclists and pedestrians, rather than bells and braking methods? The OP has requested that in quite big and bold terms.
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Postby Aushiker » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:16 am
On the bars just below the levers. Have done it on all three of my bikes that have dropbars. Works fine for me. I am still able to use the drops okay, however I am not on the drops when riding on shared paths where pedestrians are about or likely to be about. In such circumstances I am on the hoods and my hands are in a position to allow me to brake and where appropriate ring my bell with minimal movement of my hand. In an emergency situation my focus is on braking etc not ringing my bell so I don't try to use both at the same time.twizzle wrote:On a drop bar roadie, where would you suggest placing the bell so that I can ring a bell while still being able to reach the brake?fatdudeonabike wrote: That is beyond crazy. We can move our hands to change gears, to brake, to grab bottles from underneath us, but ringing a bell which should be right next to your thumb is that much more difficult?
This is not a great photo but you can get the idea of the positioning
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Postby jasonc » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:33 am
Andrew - what bell is that?Aushiker wrote:
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Postby biker jk » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:42 am
If you go full Hellenic gesture of contempt then you won't be holding the handlebars.Mulger bill wrote:THIS!!!!!!!gbh wrote:I try always to thank people - pedestrians, motorists, other cyclists - who adjust their behaviour to accommodate my cycling. Apart from the courtesy element, I can't think of anything more likely to ensure that they keep doing it.malnar wrote: A couple of months ago I dinged a female jogger who moved left and as I passed she said ‘you could at least thank me’. When I ding, my intent is to let them know I’m there what they do is up to them so I don’t see why a thanks is necessary. Despite that, I thought about what she said and have started waving a thanks to those that make a real effort to move. I’ve found it feels good to do that and I hope the goodwill is received.
The good ones get a "Thanks!", a smile and wave, the meh ones get not much more than a muttered "ta" and the bad ones get anything from a blown kiss via an eyroll and head tap to a full blown Hellenic gesture of contempt. As always, option three varies widely according to incident and prevailing mood.
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Postby outnabike » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:06 am
I knew someone would say that - and I was almost going to say it in a sarcastic manner. This last comment "If you have problems doing so then consider getting flat bars or some other bars that suit your abilities." just seems particularly like flame-bait, or deliberately provocative and rude. I'm sure Twizzle is particularly skilled at riding a bike.g-boaf wrote:human909 wrote:[quote="twizzle"]On a drop bar roadie, where would you suggest placing the bell so that I can ring a bell while still being able to reach the brake?
Anywhere you wish to. Surely you can move your hands. If you have problems doing so then consider getting flat bars or some other bars that suit your abilities.
(I'm not advocating the need for bells. But the logic of "I have drop-bars therefore I can't use a bell" seems a little bizarre.)
Anyhow, wasn't this a thread about dumb cyclists and pedestrians, rather than bells and braking methods? The OP has requested that in quite big and bold terms.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
Hi g-boaf,
I am glad you didn't get sarcastic, I reckon human909 was responding to the OP's own question so couldn't really have been of topic....
I am sure it was a light hearted comment to a very good rider who will appreciate the humour. I sure did.
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Postby human909 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:46 am
I can't fault the effectiveness of a Acme Siren.Mulger bill wrote:Late edit. Dunno about you H, but quite often the times I need an audible warning device are also the times it's a good idea to be covering the brakes, if not actually hauling hard on the levers because once again some iPed has chosen to blindly make a busy road part of their meanderings. I'll stick with the Acme Siren clenched ready between me teeth in the likely spots.
In my experience audible warning are best use a LONG time before the potential conflict. ie; 50m beforehand. In my experience in a true emergency whether it be a car or a bike the best bet is to concentrate of braking and avoiding rather than using the horn or bell. Though I've been in the car when some people's first reaction is the horn rather than the brake! The only time that I remember issuing an emergency warning was along the Swanston st bike path and it stop the pedestrian in his/her tracks.
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Postby twizzle » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:18 pm
One of those little tinny things that makes a tiny 'ping' noise.jasonc wrote:Andrew - what bell is that?Aushiker wrote:
...real cyclists don't have squeaky chains...
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Postby twizzle » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:27 pm
No, that's h909 being his typical self. As far as I can tell, he only rides at pedestrian speeds therefore braking is always optional and he has lots of time between using a bell and having to move to the brakes.outnabike wrote:Hi g-boaf,
I am glad you didn't get sarcastic, I reckon human909 was responding to the OP's own question so couldn't really have been of topic....
I am sure it was a light hearted comment to a very good rider who will appreciate the humour. I sure did.
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Postby queequeg » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:38 pm
twizzle wrote:On a drop bar roadie, where would you suggest placing the bell so that I can ring a bell while still being able to reach the brake?fatdudeonabike wrote: That is beyond crazy. We can move our hands to change gears, to brake, to grab bottles from underneath us, but ringing a bell which should be right next to your thumb is that much more difficult?
Sent from my iThingy...
Same place on both bikes, upside down with the little pinging thing pointing at an angle. I can flick the bell with my hands on the bars. I am usually riding on the hoods, so briefly moving one hand to the flats is not an issue. I have never had a need to use a bell while riding in the drops
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Postby jasonc » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:43 pm
when I google it, that model doesn't come up.twizzle wrote:One of those little tinny things that makes a tiny 'ping' noise.jasonc wrote:Andrew - what bell is that?Aushiker wrote:
I would like to know what model comfortably fits over a 31.8mm bar with that strap.
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Postby Aushiker » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:08 pm
That bell has been replaced now with a M Part Bicycle Bell For Oversized Bar (31.7-31.8mm) which I got from Probikekit for about $4.85. It is about the same size but has a screw mount so it can be tensioned better and the lever to ring the bell can be rotated to a position which suits you.jasonc wrote:Andrew - what bell is that?
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Postby jasonc » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:13 pm
I think I like Jules' option more. Cheers for the response.Aushiker wrote:That bell has been replaced now with a M Part Bicycle Bell For Oversized Bar (31.7-31.8mm) which I got from Probikekit for about $4.85. It is about the same size but has a screw mount so it can be tensioned better and the lever to ring the bell can be rotated to a position which suits you.jasonc wrote:Andrew - what bell is that?
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Postby rdwaltonut » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:30 pm
I have this bell on my dropbar roadie, center bar, face up. Easy as pie to ring it, even on the brakes. Just take my right hand off, flick it twice, and hand goes right back on the brake.Aushiker wrote:That bell has been replaced now with a M Part Bicycle Bell For Oversized Bar (31.7-31.8mm) which I got from Probikekit for about $4.85. It is about the same size but has a screw mount so it can be tensioned better and the lever to ring the bell can be rotated to a position which suits you.jasonc wrote:Andrew - what bell is that?
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Postby bychosis » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:38 pm
[youtube]http://youtu.be/g_mlASxtuZ4[/youtube]
edit: bummer..need to work on my youtube linking skillz, my first attempt. Can anyone point me to the vid embedding tips? I found how to for images, not video.
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Postby Mulger bill » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:15 pm
You have to copypasta the full link from the addy bar not the truncated one supplied by youtube.bychosis wrote:back to the dummies...
[youtube]http://youtu.be/g_mlASxtuZ4[/youtube]
edit: bummer..need to work on my youtube linking skillz, my first attempt. Can anyone point me to the vid embedding tips? I found how to for images, not video.
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Postby fatdudeonabike » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:01 pm
Anyway, she's a dumb cyclist! (And maybe I am a bit) It was quite funny actually, cos I wasn't hurt.
We were going up a short sharp incline (onto Commonwealth Avenue bridge from the southside for Canberrans). I gave her a head start, and was roaring up behind her. I went to overtake, but by then she was just in that awful noob predicament (which I was suffering myself only a month ago!) of changing gears too late, not having momentum, and just going side to side across the path as she peddled. I thought I'd gotten her "non-speed wobbles" sussed, so went to go around her... and she did the mother of veers to the right... knocked me off my bike... and I rolled all the way to the bottom of the hill. (It's not actually that steep a hill)
As I say, it was pretty funny cos I wasn't hurt, and neither of us damaged our respective pride and joy - but I'll make sure I'm ahead of her for the short sharp inclines in future...
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Postby fatdudeonabike » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:07 pm
However, my argument all along has only been about shared use paths. On roads, I dont think a bell is likely to be that effective because a car can't hear it. So as long as everyone (cyclists) is keeping left unless overtaking (and not doing what so many drivers do and keeping on the right because they think they're the fastest car on the road), I dont actually care whether people carry bells on the road.
So with that context, here's my question.
Could you not just put the bell on the "normal" part of the bars, as opposed to the drops? I ask this because I'm working on the assumption that, if you're on a shared path and being required to use a bell because of pedestrians or slow social riders - is it not fair to assume that this is a moot point, because you shouldnt be going so fast that you're in the drops anyway?
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Postby il padrone » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:53 pm
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Postby bychosis » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:36 am
No, it's rings on fingers, bells on toes.Lukeyboy wrote:Just put the bell on your index finger. Problem solved.
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