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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby Derny Driver » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:29 pm

cotterpin wrote:Hey Derny,
Yer I was lucky to pick it up, plus a few others from an old cycling mate.
At the time i didn't realize Pijnen's name was on it.
I remember the 70's and 80's was a great period for Six Day events. To me, Pijnen was a stand out rider.
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He was more than a stand out, many believe he was the best ever - including my uncle who was a 6 dayman himself. We could probably argue the merits of the big 3, Sercu, Clarke and Pijnen - whatever the outcome he was a LEGEND.
I have a friend in France who collects jerseys, he has a fantastic collection ....I actually gave him my Tom Simpson original which my uncle passed on to me ...anyway, if you ever want to sell it, I know a buyer : )
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby cotterpin » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:25 pm

Did your uncle ever ride in Melbourne and in what period?
I'd be interested to know his name as I a may have seen him race.

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby Derny Driver » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:30 pm

cotterpin wrote:Did your uncle ever ride in Melbourne and in what period?
I'd be interested to know his name as I a may have seen him race.

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Reg / Reginald Arnold alias Roger Arnold.
Raced in Europe 1946 -1963.
He had a year in Australia in 1954, rode for Malvern Star with Hec Sutherland and Eddie Smith. He rode all the big tours, Sun Tour (4th), Tassie tour (1st), Goulburn to Sydney (1st), Echuca Tour (1st), Sydney to Melbourne (2nd) etc. See story about him in the current issue of Bicycling Australia, the one with Gilbert on the cover.
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby cotterpin » Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:18 am

Derny Driver wrote:
cotterpin wrote:Did your uncle ever ride in Melbourne and in what period?
I'd be interested to know his name as I a may have seen him race.
Cheers

Reg / Reginald Arnold alias Roger Arnold.
Raced in Europe 1946 -1963.
He had a year in Australia in 1954, rode for Malvern Star with Hec Sutherland and Eddie Smith. He rode all the big tours, Sun Tour (4th), Tassie tour (1st), Goulburn to Sydney (1st), Echuca Tour (1st), Sydney to Melbourne (2nd) etc. See story about him in the current issue of Bicycling Australia, the one with Gilbert on the cover.

Thanks Derny,
I've always known of the name "Reg Arnold" but until now, didn't know that much about his career. As you would know
there's a lot of good info on the web about him.
I think the Eddie Smith you mention might be the same fellow I used to see at the old Melbourne board track when I raced
against his sons around 67' 68' as a juvenile.
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby brentono » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:29 am

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Hec Sutherland on the right. (with Patto) :D
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby brentono » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:45 am

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Velodrome in Melbourne (Boards) in the early 50's. (before my time)
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby foo on patrol » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:11 pm

Interesting how they ran the boards up and down instead of with the riding direction! Imaging that would have been a little vivivivivivibrating. :lol:

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby brentono » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:06 pm

If it's the boards I remember as a very young kid, sitting underneath.
You would hear the rumble and rattle boards from the bunch as they went past.
It sounded like a freight train passing.
Childhood memories. :D
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby Derny Driver » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:12 pm

brentono you have some seriously cool photos. I have never seen a better photo of the Essendon Board Track. In the 1950's that track was the epicentre of track cycling in Australia. The promoter Ted Waterford contracted some of the world's biggest stars to his carnivals ... Reg Harris, Enzo Sacchi, Jos De Bakker, Oscar Plattner, Jan Derksen, Billy Guyatt, Patto, Mockridge ...
My dad and my uncle teamed up for an international madison race there in 1954, and absolutely smashed a class field .... got invited back the next month and repeated the dose. Reg was showing off a bit and riding his bike up onto the vertical advertising (where it says BSA on your photo), dont think anyone had seen that done in Australia. One of the onlookers said it was like watching "a fighter plane in a bunch of bombers"

The fishing photo - thought it was Hec but the hair put me off. He was bald by age 25 so he must have been young there with Patto.
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby foo on patrol » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:19 pm

Derny Driver wrote: Reg was showing off a bit and riding his bike up onto the vertical advertising (where it says BSA on your photo), dont think anyone had seen that done in Australia.


:shock: :shock: That would be some bike skills! 8)

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby foo on patrol » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:23 pm

I would love to know how long their tyres lasted in the six day races back then as my singles only lasted three nights :shock: in the ones I rode and that was 3hrs a night. :lol:

Oh and two pairs of mits. :(

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby cotterpin » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:24 pm

foo on patrol wrote:Interesting how they ran the boards up and down instead of with the riding direction! Imaging that would have been a little vivivivivivibrating. :lol:

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As a juvenile I was lucky enough to ride the last two seasons (68' and 69') at the old Melbourne board track.
I remember watching the Pro's, particularly if they were strung out in a 5 mile scratch race, they'd ride
right on the sprint line where there was a line of bolts. The track was faster and firmer (less vivibration) there because
you were also riding directly over one of the bearers/joists.
Also if it rained a couple of days before Saturday night, it would cause the boards to swell and tighten,
making the track a lot faster (less rattle).
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby foo on patrol » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:21 am

cotterpin wrote:Also if it rained a couple of days before Saturday night, it would cause the boards to swell and tighten,making the track a lot faster (less rattle).


A good point, that I totally forgot about Cotterpin. :wink:

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby brentono » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:03 am

DD you certainly have a great recall of the period, and I have many photos of early 50's
in Melbourne, from my old man (RIP)
Below, Hec (2nd Left) was a bit light on top, 1953 Vic Team at Aus Champs (Tasmania)
(Star Track bike in view)

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby cotterpin » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:38 am

Hey Brentono,
Any chance of some more shots of Melbourne cycling.
I notice in that shot above, 56' Olympic gold medalist, Ian Browne (far left).
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby brentono » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:06 pm

Sure cotterpin, will keep posting, as we go. :)
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Here's another of the Velodrome in Melbourne (Boards) in the early 50's
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby cotterpin » Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:20 pm

Another great shot,thanks Brentono, that's gotta be the old Nth Essendon track.
A while ago I tripped across a great article on the web, that told of how the Essendon track was dismantled
around 57' 58' and shipped to Sydney, to make way for the rebuilt Olympic Park track.
If I can find it again I'll post up the link.
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby cotterpin » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:03 pm

For any one who's interested, here's the link to the article on the re-location
of the Nth Essendon Board Track to Sydney.

This link gives a great insight into the construction of the original 333
meter Olympic track (timber frame and base,concrete surface, timber duck boards)
which was later replaced with a 250 meter board track (steel frame, concrete duck boards).

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby foo on patrol » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:29 pm

Thanks for those links Cotterpin. 8)

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby Derny Driver » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:06 pm

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1952 Helsinki Olympics Sprint Tandem Final
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:34 pm

IIRC, it was the first time they'd ridden a tandem together in competition!

What's happening with the gearing there for the pilot and stoker? It looks like the stoker has two chain rings. Is that the case, or is it a guard to stop the chain flying off of the chain ring?
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby find_bruce » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:55 pm

bigfriendlyvegan wrote:IIRC, it was the first time they'd ridden a tandem together in competition!

What's happening with the gearing there for the pilot and stoker? It looks like the stoker has two chain rings. Is that the case, or is it a guard to stop the chain flying off of the chain ring?

BFV it looks to me like a pretty standard single side rear drive with the small captain's chainring connected to the small stoker's chainring while the OMGosh that is huge chainring drives the rear wheel. Works well for fixed gear & no need for tandem specific cranks
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:50 pm

find_bruce wrote:
bigfriendlyvegan wrote:IIRC, it was the first time they'd ridden a tandem together in competition!

What's happening with the gearing there for the pilot and stoker? It looks like the stoker has two chain rings. Is that the case, or is it a guard to stop the chain flying off of the chain ring?

BFV it looks to me like a pretty standard single side rear drive with the small captain's chainring connected to the small stoker's chainring while the OMGosh that is huge chainring drives the rear wheel. Works well for fixed gear & no need for tandem specific cranks


Aha! I've never seen a track tandem in real life, so I didn't know how it worked. Very clever.
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby mikesbytes » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:10 am

Thanks Derny Driver, Lionel Cox was supporting track training at Tempe velodrome right up to his departure a couple of years ago. I've reposted your post on the DHBC forum
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby brentono » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:18 am

Thanks for those links Cotterpin.
DD (photo) thanks.
The following year (1953) at the Australian Champs Final, Cox with Walsh win.
My Father, the stoker from the West and runner-up.
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