That's not the kind of infrastructure you just showed! Partitioned path!!!il padrone wrote:Trouble is, if you build infrastructure and don't also do something about changing rules and entrenched attitudes that work against cycling (like the attitudes of some primary school administrators) you get this:
Extraordinary school rule
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Re: Extraordinary school rule
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Postby Xplora » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:56 am
FIRST WORLD PROBLEMShigh_tea wrote:Yup, enough people wanted to save, I dunno, 90 seconds or something and thought that building a carpark was a reasonable solution to this non-problem. Not only that, but that a freakin state school, a proverbially always-short-of money kind of organisation, should do it!
What else can you do? The tendency of lifeforms is to be a <edited by mod> in order to conserve energy for serious challenges to survival. I don't think these people realise that the challenge to survival is actually presented by the car and their inability manage their time (or expectations). It's really easy to make the bans happen. No Stopping in the School Zone hours. SURELY SOMEONE WILL THINK OF THE CHILDREN
^^^True dat, paddy.
sogood, a cyclist doesn't NEED more than that. In fact, that would be awesome. I normally deal with a lot less.
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Re: Extraordinary school rule
Postby il padrone » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:10 pm
Oh truly Stop picking nits. Who cares <edited by mod> ?? And there are plenty of unused segregated paths about in peak hour too.sogood wrote:That's not the kind of infrastructure you just showed! Partitioned path!!!
It does not change the message. Unused infrastructure is poor infrastructure 'Build it and they will come' only works if there are minimal forces working against it..... ie. the school's rule is a big deterrent.
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Postby wizdofaus » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:13 pm
"NEED" != "reasonably feel comfortable with". I can completely understand a less experienced cyclist (especially if female) deciding riding is just too dangerous along a road where cars blithely cross over into bike lanes like that.Xplora wrote: sogood, a cyclist doesn't NEED more than that. In fact, that would be awesome. I normally deal with a lot less.
Somewhat irrelevant to the discussion at hand as I'm talking about children under 10, and I would fully expect them to only ride on footpaths and dedicated bike paths.
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Re: Extraordinary school rule
Postby il padrone » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:15 pm
Empty segregated paths are a bad look as well.
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Postby sogood » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:33 pm
No Stopping? You are optimistic on the parents of present day. These days, so many parents ignore existing traffic rules in front of the school, we are seeing some form of reminder every few months from the school. Just hopeless. At the end of the day, citizen ethics is another factor in this multi-factorial problem. Can we change it? More nanny state techniques? Shock and horrors!Xplora wrote:No Stopping in the School Zone hours. SURELY SOMEONE WILL THINK OF THE CHILDREN
sogood, a cyclist doesn't NEED more than that. In fact, that would be awesome. I normally deal with a lot less.
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Re: Extraordinary school rule
Postby sogood » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:35 pm
Urrr... It's BNA Forum. Where did you think you were posting?il padrone wrote:Oh truly Stop picking nits. Who gives a **** ??
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby hannos » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:36 pm
Yep!sogood wrote: No Stopping? You are optimistic on the parents of present day. These days, so many parents ignore existing traffic rules in front of the school, we are seeing some form of reminder every few months from the school. Just hopeless. At the end of the day, citizen ethics is another factor in this multi-factorial problem. Can we change it? More nanny state techniques? Shock and horrors!
Rangers blitzing school areas during peak drop off times.
They really only need to take a picture of the offending vehicle for a fine to be issued...
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Re: Extraordinary school rule
Postby il padrone » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:40 pm
It's one big reason why much fewer people drive cars in European cities.
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Re: Extraordinary school rule
Postby sogood » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:56 pm
Sob stories generated by the media and other self-interested parties will soon put a stop to that. Wonderful society and the authorities will move onto other "more important" things!il padrone wrote:Yep. The power of the hip-pocket nerve will do the trick soon enough. If the authorities can be bothered.
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Re: Extraordinary school rule
Postby human909 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:30 pm
But Australian nanny state says otherwise.
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Postby sogood » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:51 pm
Name the year. And I was catching 3 buses when I was SEVEN years old.human909 wrote:I was catching two buses through the CBD when I was SEVEN YEARS OLD. Likewise, riding a bicycle to school for a young child is not a crazily dangerous thing.
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Postby wizdofaus » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:18 pm
Luxury...I used to dream of being able to catch 3 buses...sogood wrote:Name the year. And I was catching 3 buses when I was SEVEN years old.human909 wrote:I was catching two buses through the CBD when I was SEVEN YEARS OLD. Likewise, riding a bicycle to school for a young child is not a crazily dangerous thing.
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Postby Xplora » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:54 pm
Back in my day we'd wake up an hour before we'd gone to bed, clean the bottom of the lake and drain it to clean it again otherwise our father would kill us on pain of death.... cruel... but fair...wizdofaus wrote:Luxury...I used to dream of being able to catch 3 buses...sogood wrote:Name the year. And I was catching 3 buses when I was SEVEN years old.human909 wrote:I was catching two buses through the CBD when I was SEVEN YEARS OLD. Likewise, riding a bicycle to school for a young child is not a crazily dangerous thing.
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Re: Extraordinary school rule
Postby sogood » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:09 pm
Ok, you win!Xplora wrote:Back in my day we'd wake up an hour before we'd gone to bed, clean the bottom of the lake and drain it to clean it again otherwise our father would kill us on pain of death.... cruel... but fair...
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You 'ad a lake?!?! Luxury. We 'ad t'make do with puddle in t'middle of t'road.Xplora wrote:Back in my day we'd wake up an hour before we'd gone to bed, clean the bottom of the lake and drain it to clean it again otherwise our father would kill us on pain of death.... cruel... but fair...wizdofaus wrote:Luxury...I used to dream of being able to catch 3 buses...sogood wrote: Name the year. And I was catching 3 buses when I was SEVEN years old.
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Re: Extraordinary school rule
Postby TigerFilly » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:06 pm
I think grade 4 or 5 is about right for riding to school unaccompanied. Before that kids' peripheral vision isn't fully developed.
I've been riding my kids to school when possible for the last four years or so, so my son was only in year 1 when he started riding to school, but I was with them, and he rode on the footpath at that age ( which has its own dangers, but I would ride on the road just ahead of him so could see any cars reversing out of driveways).
Last year from about age 9.5 he started riding alone - ie even on days when I needed to drive and drop his little sister, he would ride, leaving home 5 mins before me and meeting at school.
He is only able to do that because I've spent 4 years teaching him how to ride on the road. A couple of times I've had friends of my son's over after school and arranged for them to bring their bikes and ride with us, and both kids were a danger to themselves and everyone else with no idea how to ride safely in public.
Tell you what really doesn't help - stupid drivers who think they are being helpful and waving kids on when the car has right of way. I've spent a long time drilling my kids on the road rules, it's not kind to wave them through, it's confusing.
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Re: Extraordinary school rule
Postby il padrone » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:46 pm
+1 to all this.TigerFilly wrote:Last year from about age 9.5 he started riding alone - ie even on days when I needed to drive and drop his little sister, he would ride, leaving home 5 mins before me and meeting at school.
He is only able to do that because I've spent 4 years teaching him how to ride on the road. A couple of times I've had friends of my son's over after school and arranged for them to bring their bikes and ride with us, and both kids were a danger to themselves and everyone else with no idea how to ride safely in public.
Tell you what really doesn't help - stupid drivers who think they are being helpful and waving kids on when the car has right of way. I've spent a long time drilling my kids on the road rules, it's not kind to wave them through, it's confusing.
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Re: Extraordinary school rule
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Good on you Tiger.
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