I've always thought one of the most appealing things about bicycles is that they're nice and quiet. Provided you warn pedestrians who may be blocking your way (by whatever method you prefer), why turn the bicycle into a noisy machine?coyote wrote:Now there is a good idea, tie a cow bell off the top tube of your bike and as you move around while riding your bike, the bell will ring all by it self allowing one to keep their hands on the brakes in case something unexpected happens.or a cow.
To Ding or not to Ding
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby coyote » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:01 pm
To make sure everybody remains safe and unhurt.VRE wrote:I've always thought one of the most appealing things about bicycles is that they're nice and quiet. Provided you warn pedestrians who may be blocking your way (by whatever method you prefer), why turn the bicycle into a noisy machine?coyote wrote:Now there is a good idea, tie a cow bell off the top tube of your bike and as you move around while riding your bike, the bell will ring all by it self allowing one to keep their hands on the brakes in case something unexpected happens.or a cow.
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby Timeonabike » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:37 pm
Cardboard flaps held to the spokes with clothes pegs anyone?
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby Summernight » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:03 pm
One of my old work colleagues bought this:Timeonabike wrote:I always ding, and when on foot appreciate being dung, er, dinged.
Cardboard flaps held to the spokes with clothes pegs anyone?
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I think it was a joke present...
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby Timeonabike » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:31 pm
Superb!Summernight wrote:One of my old work colleagues bought this:Timeonabike wrote:I always ding, and when on foot appreciate being dung, er, dinged.
Cardboard flaps held to the spokes with clothes pegs anyone?
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I think it was a joke present...
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby VRE » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:17 am
Doesn't work too well for cars.coyote wrote:To make sure everybody remains safe and unhurt.VRE wrote:I've always thought one of the most appealing things about bicycles is that they're nice and quiet. Provided you warn pedestrians who may be blocking your way (by whatever method you prefer), why turn the bicycle into a noisy machine?coyote wrote:Now there is a good idea, tie a cow bell off the top tube of your bike and as you move around while riding your bike, the bell will ring all by it self allowing one to keep their hands on the brakes in case something unexpected happens.
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Postby RonK » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:34 am
Only pedestrians though - cycling wearers never loose awareness.twizzle wrote:The general assumption (based on experience) is that headphones result in complete loss of awareness for the wearer.
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby WyvernRH » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:47 pm
You forgot the smiley !RonK wrote:Only pedestrians though - cycling wearers never loose awareness.twizzle wrote:The general assumption (based on experience) is that headphones result in complete loss of awareness for the wearer.
Actually, I've been out on the Fernleigh Track in Newcastle (twixt Adamstown and Redhead) most days over the last few weeks and I would say that the cyclist earphone wearer count was pretty low, approaching zero in fact. Whereas the pedestrian earphone wearer count was maybe about 30%, mostly fitter female walkers in 'sports' wear. Even these often had one earphone out so they could hear 'real world' stuff. Dog owners in the morning seemed to have it all under control as well. All in all everyone seemed to be getting on OK.
No idea what it is like at the weekend tho, probably hell on earth as the bogans rise out of the wood work
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby vince » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:51 pm
ding...................................................no response,
ding,
" ALRIGHT I ( EXPLETIVE ) HEARD YOU ( EXPLETIVE )!!!!!!!!!!!!! "
but he still remained in the centre of the path almost daring me to clip him, so i braced myself and picked my passing spot and got by unscathed. i tell ya, in my angry young days it may have been a different story. ah well, i guess some people are just angry with the world
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby gorilla monsoon » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:34 pm
Was on the track between 8 and 10am yesterday. A lot of riders out (training for Loop the Lake probably) and everyone pretty much behaving themselves, riders and walkers/joggers. I did note though that a lot of peds acknowledged the sound of the bell, either with a single step left or a wave of the hand. Some even said thanks.WyvernRH wrote:You forgot the smiley !RonK wrote:Only pedestrians though - cycling wearers never loose awareness.twizzle wrote:The general assumption (based on experience) is that headphones result in complete loss of awareness for the wearer.
Actually, I've been out on the Fernleigh Track in Newcastle (twixt Adamstown and Redhead) most days over the last few weeks and I would say that the cyclist earphone wearer count was pretty low, approaching zero in fact. Whereas the pedestrian earphone wearer count was maybe about 30%, mostly fitter female walkers in 'sports' wear. Even these often had one earphone out so they could hear 'real world' stuff. Dog owners in the morning seemed to have it all under control as well. All in all everyone seemed to be getting on OK.
No idea what it is like at the weekend tho, probably hell on earth as the bogans rise out of the wood work
Cheers
Richard
Here's a question though: why do some riders choose not to warn other riders they are overtaking them? Yesterday I had a few overtaking riders call: "Passing" or "Overtaking" but more who chose to do nothing, just roll on by without warning. Passing a ped without warning is one thing because it is a relatively quick exercise but passing another rider who is going at somewhere near your speed is another thing entirely.
Are good manners and courtesy dead? Please tell me because I just don't know whether I should stay as Mr Nice Guy or start taking ar$e-ole lessons .
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby twizzle » Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:03 pm
Mate and I were crossing Commonwealth Avenue Bridge post brekky one morning, I was tail, he was lead, we were approaching two peds from behind and needed to pull out to overtake. I did the reflex head check, but my mate didn't... nearly got cleaned up by this tosser. It was obvious to blind freddy that we were going to pull out to pass the pedestrians, but he abused my mate for trying to pull across in front of him!gorilla monsoon wrote:Here's a question though: why do some riders choose not to warn other riders they are overtaking them?
Just lucky for him he went off down a side path, otherwise he was going to cop some serious abuse when we caught up to him.
Seriously - I'm amazed that people ride bicycles like this. If they did it in cars, the road toll would be huge. How does the smallest vestige of common sense disappear when some people are on a bike?
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby g-boaf » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:50 pm
These ones who fly past without giving any notice drive me mad. I usually go after them and if u do manage to catch them, I'll have a chat with them. But so often it's a guy out training with his buddy wheel sucking at 45km/h on a shared path (a reasonable size one). Yes I could just about catch them - but I'd just as much not bother. That's at my physical limits holding that speed for a long time.gorilla monsoon wrote:
Was on the track between 8 and 10am yesterday. A lot of riders out (training for Loop the Lake probably) and everyone pretty much behaving themselves, riders and walkers/joggers. I did note though that a lot of peds acknowledged the sound of the bell, either with a single step left or a wave of the hand. Some even said thanks.
Here's a question though: why do some riders choose not to warn other riders they are overtaking them? Yesterday I had a few overtaking riders call: "Passing" or "Overtaking" but more who chose to do nothing, just roll on by without warning. Passing a ped without warning is one thing because it is a relatively quick exercise but passing another rider who is going at somewhere near your speed is another thing entirely.
Are good manners and courtesy dead? Please tell me because I just don't know whether I should stay as Mr Nice Guy or start taking ar$e-ole lessons .
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby il padrone » Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:08 am
It isn't a legal requirement. What is a legal requirement is for all riders to maintain a steady line, and to signal any changes from that, as well as not moving into the path of other cyclists. Rear-view mirror use certainly helps here. Overtakers must overtake safely - I'd read that as allowing sufficient room and an appropriate speed difference for the conditions. No hard rules - it all depends on the circumstances. But expecting a bell-ring from every overtaking cyclist, every time, is ridiculous .
Do you expect the same from every overtaking driver, a horn honk??
With respect, there is your problem. I'm sorry to say it but I believe your mate was also a 'tosser'twizzle wrote:I did the reflex head check, but my mate didn't... nearly got cleaned up by this tosser.
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munga wrote:i blame this:
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby bychosis » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:36 am
Assume on a shared path for the following examples.
1. Courtesy: hello there, I'm approaching on a bike just letting you know. Carry on. ie maintain your line and there will be no issues.
2. Caution: hi, you appear to be a little unaware of your surrounds and don't look like you are maintaining your line and may move into my path.
3. Warning: this is a shared path you are not using shared path etiquette, please move back left etc.
4. Expletive deleted: what the ... are you doing? We just about collided.
As the response to a bell varies from ignorance to acknowledgement, fright or anger I have adopted the following. The response of ignorance/acknowledgement is most often with 1-2, fright anger with 3-4 but not always.
Generally I use
1. Infrequently(one ding), these people may get a fright and I don't want to sound pushy when their progress has no impact on my own.
2. Usually(one ding), most of the time it wakes them up and we can both get on with it.
3. As required (couple of dings) often followed by a polite vocal "please keep left" etc after passing.
4. Rarely (many dings) most often evasive action is required so braking and steering mo important than ding. Often vocal response is all there is time for- avoid expletives where possible.
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby il padrone » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:59 am
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby Summernight » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:12 am
He's using a flat bar... *brain explodes*il padrone wrote:No excuses guys
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I'm interested in that bell if it actually works. Do they sell them in Australia?
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby il padrone » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:16 am
Bayswater Cycles, Ivanhoe Cycles, Mt Waverley Cycles, lots more.
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: To Ding or not to Ding
Postby Summernight » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:21 am
Thanks. Will have to make a trip to a shop to check them out.il padrone wrote:Their address is Mt Waverley. They list a pretty good range of shops in Melbourne as dealers.
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