Perth Waterfront
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby rolandp » Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:08 pm
Works Period: 18–30 June 2012
Commence works to relocate the dual use path along Riverside Drive, west of William Street. These works are expected to take approximately two weeks and will be complete by the end of June. The existing dual use path will remain in operation until works on the relocated path are complete.
Traffic Impacts
In addition, the eastern-most lane of William Street, between The Esplanade and Riverside Drive and the footpath will be closed. Pedestrians are advised to use the western footpath alongside the Esplanade Busport during this time. There will be no disruption for traffic accessing Riverside Drive (east and west) from William Street.
Should the required works not be completed on the 23 June, the lane and footpath closure on William Street only will be repeated the following Saturday (30 June).
I've included the section on 'footpath' on William St as I know lots of cyclists using it, including me.
There is also a Works Staging Map, which shows that there will be a new bus terminal entrance off Mounts Bay Rd (looks like via The Esplanade/William St corner), so expect more buses to be travelling in this location.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby Vivifyer » Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:33 pm
Full document here http://www.mra.wa.gov.au/Documents/Eliz ... elines.pdf
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby Shifter » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:52 pm
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Re: Perth Waterfront
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby Pushy » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:27 pm
We will all probably have to, like the bridge in East Perth. You can count on the CoP.Baalzamon wrote:I for one will never use that bridge path, except to push my bike/trike across
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:46 pm
I am confused. Doesn't it clearly define it's use? (2.2.7, 2.2.9) Does CoP have an over-riding say? Perhaps they do.Pushy wrote:We will all probably have to, like the bridge in East Perth. You can count on the CoP.Baalzamon wrote:I for one will never use that bridge path, except to push my bike/trike across
As far as how suitable it will be for mixing peds and cyclists, are their detailed drawings indicting it is worse than, say, the existing fenced skinny lumpy stretch immediately south of the Function Centre? Riders are all using that already and there is probably as much ped traffic during commute hours now as there will be when this thing is built.
I may accept however that on weekends during the day there will be heaps of peds about. Though, from my observation, cyclists even then seem to prefer earlier mornings than the ped latte set.
Still, on a positive note, if you choose already to avoid it then it will just be a bit more roomy for the rest of us.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:40 pm
End of rant
I note from the diagrams that that skinny bit right on the river wall is shifting inland a bit. A definite improvement.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby nachoman » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:19 pm
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby wexford » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:21 pm
Very nice. I like to blast along that bit when there's a good tail wind, and even with the pleasant riverside walk a few metres over to the side there'll still be a fair number of peds using it. As is their right, of course, but it means that I have to slow down!nachoman wrote:The bike path along Riverside Drive from Plain St to the Bell Tower is currently being resurfaced. It also looks wider in parts.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby casual_cyclist » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:47 am
I was discussing the history of this project with some colleagues today. All of them swore that it was Barnie that dreamed it up. Incorrect. I recalled that it was a labor party project but I couldn't remember which minister. It turns out it was happy Carps who dreamed it up in 2008. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-02-13/c ... an/1042022. Enlarge the photo and you will see a picture of what was dubbed "Dubai on Swan" at the time. From the looks of the photo it was a much more ambitious (i.e. expensive) project. This is Perth Waterfront lite in comparison.ColinOldnCranky wrote:For the record I am not at all in favour of the state going further into debt or using revenues that are falling to provide this. I think we have a premier who realises that a leaders "legacy" is enhanced in the long run based on what they left. What they cut out does not feature further down the line no matter how much worse we may be off. And while other premiers are not much different, Colin's fellows are still in awe of his comeback from being a joke to leading them to regaining government and getting the "top dog" mantle of current state leaders. Hence he gets to do as he wishes - a one man cabinet so to speak.
End of rant
I note from the diagrams that that skinny bit right on the river wall is shifting inland a bit. A definite improvement.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:49 pm
That is fine, most ideas are borrowed from others. The sinking of the railway line has been proposed since forever. And the previous government, from memory, also floated a scheme down at the Concet Hall instead.casual_cyclist wrote:I was discussing the history of this project with some colleagues today. All of them swore that it was Barnie that dreamed it up. Incorrect. I recalled that it was a labor party project but I couldn't remember which minister. It turns out it was happy Carps who dreamed it up in 2008. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-02-13/c ... an/1042022. Enlarge the photo and you will see a picture of what was dubbed "Dubai on Swan" at the time. From the looks of the photo it was a much more ambitious (i.e. expensive) project. This is Perth Waterfront lite in comparison.ColinOldnCranky wrote:For the record I am not at all in favour of the state going further into debt or using revenues that are falling to provide this. I think we have a premier who realises that a leaders "legacy" is enhanced in the long run based on what they left. What they cut out does not feature further down the line no matter how much worse we may be off. And while other premiers are not much different, Colin's fellows are still in awe of his comeback from being a joke to leading them to regaining government and getting the "top dog" mantle of current state leaders. Hence he gets to do as he wishes - a one man cabinet so to speak.
End of rant
I note from the diagrams that that skinny bit right on the river wall is shifting inland a bit. A definite improvement.
But when it goes further and actually gets funded and commenced it should first have been subject to conflicting views and argued about by of others such as cabinet, the public, engineers, hydrographers, etc etc. The point I make is that Barnett doesn't seem to have to as his cabinet is in awe of him (it seems). So we get a one man thought-bubble that gives us a footy stadium in a place that was not on the list recomended by the Langoulant panel, nor does it seem to have been run by engineers etc.
Meantime in a leadup to an election he suddenly discovers the need to do some other costly stuff as the state debt is ballooning from $3B to $25B. Which means that neither party will be funding any of those other things.
The looks of the photo you refer to with futuristic building that you imply (probably correctly) as being more expensive is the private sector contribution and will look like tha only if that sector sees value in it. It may still look like that or it may look more mundane but either way that will be funded by private enterprise.
Don't get me wrong - I am ecstatic for the idea of making some use of the best or second best capital city water in the country. I think most of the shore along there is as boring as the proverbial bat excrement. My concern is the failure to develop the ideas and options before committing us to them.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby rolandp » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:50 am
If you turn off at William St, you need to continue down to the Bell Tower and do a hook back, when heading east. When heading west don't continue along the original path, as you will hit a dead end and you can only cross at William St:
I do love the care to attention provided in these directional signs which are A3 pieces of paper. I didn't know we know need superman vision to read these signs when riding.
What I can't work out, why the new road lanes are being installed, they will be underwater in the near future. So why build them? Once these new road lanes are installed, how do you cross them to get to William St? If you use William St, how do you get back onto the PSP?
You then have the issue that Barrack St is now one way (you can only head north), so unless you ride on the footpath, then how do you get into Perth, in particular, as my guess is that William St won't be accessable once those new roads lanes are operational.
Minister of Transport announced last week 'More Information for Motorists to Plan Journey'. Great idea, wonder were they got it from as I asked for one to be provided for cyclists late last year, none provided at this time.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby elStado » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:46 pm
Yep. Threw everyone out. We were all pootling along the path wondering where we were supposed to be going haha.rolandp wrote:Anyone else get lost in the maze of fences and constantly moving shared path. Feels like an episode of Harry Potter with the moving stair cases.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby rolandp » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:52 am
Was also told that William st will be inaccessible in the near future and to use barrack st, though my explanation that this was a footpath, he then suggested I could use other entrances down riverside drive.
Have requested information from mra.
If you were the one in the accident, hope it was not serious.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby CycleSnail » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:59 pm
The original plan was to have pedestrians using the Barrack street footpath, and force cyclist to use Victoria Avenue .....rolandp wrote:I was told to slow down this morning, looked down at the speedo and I was doing 15kph, so I turned around and asked what speed I should be doing. There had been an accident earlier on the shared path, I was told. I then started the questions, why.. Why are we riding on paths that aren't designed for bikes. Why aren't there traffic controllers in place to help direct us. Why is a road being built that will be, destroyed in the near future. Why are diversion signs printed on a3 paper etc etc. response, it is a work in progress
Was also told that William st will be inaccessible in the near future and to use barrack st, though my explanation that this was a footpath, he then suggested I could use other entrances down riverside drive.
Have requested information from mra.
If you were the one in the accident, hope it was not serious.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:47 pm
It's all being done as forced training for the Tour d'Perth.rolandp wrote:I was told to slow down this morning, looked down at the speedo and I was doing 15kph, so I turned around and asked what speed I should be doing. There had been an accident earlier on the shared path, I was told. I then started the questions, why.. Why are we riding on paths that aren't designed for bikes. Why aren't there traffic controllers in place to help direct us. Why is a road being built that will be, destroyed in the near future. Why are diversion signs printed on a3 paper etc etc. response, it is a work in progress
Was also told that William st will be inaccessible in the near future and to use barrack st, though my explanation that this was a footpath, he then suggested I could use other entrances down riverside drive.
Have requested information from mra.
If you were the one in the accident, hope it was not serious.
I know things are bad when YOU wander of and have a rant Roland. Chin up.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby blkmcs » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:27 pm
Somebody is listening Roland, there was a nice big sign showing directions to the City or to the Narrows this morning, thanks for making the effort.rolandp wrote:...Why are diversion signs printed on a3 paper etc etc. response, it is a work in progress....
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Re: Perth Waterfront
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby wellington_street » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:46 pm
The diversion signage was OK although not great - I was looking for Mounts Bay Road and options of "Narrows" and "City" didn't really help me as I wasn't sure if Narrows would force me over the bridge. A bit ambiguous imo.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby rolandp » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:09 am
I would be surprised that it was on this evening as I went through around 5:30pm.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby roller » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:27 pm
BUH BOW.
took me an age to get up the esplanade and then down barrack and on to the path at the belltower.
will be taking william-hay-milligan-mount st from now on.
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Re: Perth Waterfront
Postby wellington_street » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:37 pm
The other option is St Georges Terrace then down either Mount or Mill Streets to Mounts Bay Road and onto the PSP that way.elStado wrote:Ahhg. What is going on now at the connection to the foreshore. My usual ride home today was marred by ridiclous traffic and lots of confused cyclists trying to get to the cycle path. I am heading from the CBD towards the southern Kwinana PSP. What's the best way? Down William, left onto Esplanade, right onto Barrack and then connect to the PSP...?
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