Cyclists Threaten timid little man in LandCruiser...
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Cyclists Threaten timid little man in LandCruiser...
Postby Ozkaban » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:54 am
Apparently, this gentle soul in his 3 tonne 200 series LandCruiser in western Brisbane, equipped with only the bare essential in urban safety devices, such as bull bar, winch and 6 spotlights was driving along and some cyclists got in his way. "I had given them a toot to move them into their proper lane," he said.
It also turns out that when he pulled up at his business a few minutes later that they were somewhat angry with him, and he felt intimidated (presumably because he no longer had the 3 tonne barge under his command any more).
Now I don't condone threatening behavior, but surely the journalist missed the whole 'threatening' angle of his driving... Cyclists don't normally stop (well, the ones I ride with don't) to have a go at someone for a mere beep of the horn. We'd never get anywhere if we did! I'd be interested to hear the other 2/3 of this story...
Oh, and if ever there was an image ripe for a meme, I reckon that would be it
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Re: Cyclists Threaten timid little man in LandCruiser...
Postby RonK » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:49 pm
Any driver attempting to overtake would have to be speeding. Copping a horn blast from a motorist while at that speed would be extremely disconcerting, and it's not at all surprising that the riders would be angered by it.
This is how it looks to the rider. At this point I would be doing 60kph. A car could emerge from the street on the left without warning at any time. Where would you position your bike?
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Postby Summernight » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:17 pm
That bicycle lane from that StreetView picture is pathetic and suicidal, especially with those obscuring bushes. In a group ride I'd think all the cyclists would be in the car lane.RonK wrote:Dornoch Terrace is a steep downhill section, where the bikes would have been going just as fast as other traffic. I regularly reach the posted speed limit there. The street has many apartment buildings along it and residents cars are usually parked in the bike lane. There is also a concealed entrance (St James St) at the fastest point, where common sense dictates you take a wide line in case a car emerges, and a small but deep pothole which must be avoided. Recently a cycling acquaintance received serious facial injuries when his fork broke there.
Any driver attempting to overtake would have to be speeding. Copping a horn blast from a motorist while at that speed would be extremely disconcerting, and it's not at all surprising that the riders would be angered by it.
This is how it looks to the rider. At this point I would be doing 60kph. A car could emerge from the street on the left without warning at any time. Where would you position your bike?
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Re: Cyclists Threaten timid little man in LandCruiser...
Postby boss » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:49 pm
By the time the second car was anywhere near me I had passed the parked car and was moving back towards the curb. Hear loud, aggressive beeping. Turn around. Woman waving her hands for me to move towards the side of the road (or was it get off the road?)
I wasn't in the mood for it and gave her the bird. She then gave me the bird back, much more agressively (both hands waving around giving me the bird and yelling at me... couldn't make out what she was saying).
She passes me, I find the funny side in the whole situation. Then I realise that traffic is banked up on my street. Then she realises it is too.
She ends up held up in a logjam caused by a freight train. I ride down to her car, her window down a smidgen. Went something like this...
She was freaking out. Like totally freaking out. Her behaviour really didn't endanger me at all, it annoyed me at most, and even on a bad day I wouldn't have wanted to dish out vigilante justice. I might have been a bit heated with what I said. But it was funny to watch her sweat after acting so tough a few moments earlier.Me: "Hey there"
**Her eyes dart from side to side, looking in front and behind, as if someone in another car will save her**
Me: "You're lucky I'm in a good mood..."
Her: "If you come near me I'm calling the police."
**She has her phone in her hand dialling or pretending to dial 000.
Me: "Sure, call the police. Let them know you beeped your horn at me for no good reason, and in return 'you're lucky I'm in a good mood'. Have a good day."
Wonder if my story will make it into the paper.
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Postby Ozkaban » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:56 pm
Greg Robson, who was riding on his own 75m behind the group of 20 cyclists, claims West End business owner Mervyn Hull's four-wheel-drive vehicle passed within millimetres of a rider's handlebars.
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"Mr Hull did not toot his horn. He sat on it for about 200 metres," he said.
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Re: Cyclists Threaten timid little man in LandCruiser...
Postby birdbrain » Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:59 pm
More like "I had given them a blast to get off the road""I had given them a toot to move them into their proper lane," he said.
Now the truth comes out.
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Postby boss » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:18 pm
Hahahah. Mr Hull. What an idiot. Why would you go forward to the paper if you knew you were in the wrong. Make it public and it's all gonna come out in the wash.Ozkaban wrote:turns out a witness (a lone cyclist 75m behind the group) has come forward and the article updated. Salient bits:
Greg Robson, who was riding on his own 75m behind the group of 20 cyclists, claims West End business owner Mervyn Hull's four-wheel-drive vehicle passed within millimetres of a rider's handlebars.
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"Mr Hull did not toot his horn. He sat on it for about 200 metres," he said.
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Postby Summernight » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:37 pm
Probably because he didn't think he was in the wrong and thought he had a right to the road and the cyclists didn't and were meant to stay in their marked bicycle lane and be timid little Boy Scouts in single file...boss wrote:Hahahah. Mr Hull. What an idiot. Why would you go forward to the paper if you knew you were in the wrong. Make it public and it's all gonna come out in the wash.
Like when we post footage on here and people say 'actually you did [x] wrong so you're in the wrong too.' We probably wouldn't post if we thought we'd broken the law at the same time as the person in the footage.
That or Mr Hull wants to meet Shane Warne and this is the best way he can think of doing so - bonding over horrible cyclists.
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Postby Paddles » Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:40 pm
FYI, Qld bicycle road rules handbook:
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Trave ... ochure.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The most important ones here I think are:
- no more than 2 abreast
- you must keep left and can only "take a lane" (normally left, but right if making a right turn) if there is 2 or more lanes of traffic travelling in the same direction where you are riding
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Postby AndyTheMan » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:24 pm
Ozkaban wrote:turns out a witness (a lone cyclist 75m behind the group) has come forward and the article updated. Salient bits:
Greg Robson, who was riding on his own 75m behind the group of 20 cyclists, claims West End business owner Mervyn Hull's four-wheel-drive vehicle passed within millimetres of a rider's handlebars.
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"Mr Hull did not toot his horn. He sat on it for about 200 metres," he said.
And this is exactly why its a good idea to have a video camera running - could you imagine how awesome it would be right now if that guy that was 75 metres behind had a camera??!!!
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Postby il padrone » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:28 pm
Ah, now don't go skating over that onePaddles wrote: http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Trave ... ochure.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The most important ones here I think are:
- no more than 2 abreast
- you must keep left and can only "take a lane" (normally left, but right if making a right turn) if there is 2 or more lanes of traffic travelling in the same direction where you are riding
It's keep as far left as practicable. That means if, in the judgement of the cyclists, there is some impracticability (eg. potential safety hazard) they need not stay hard left. Most cyclists on here should be aware of this rider to the rule.
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Postby clydesmcdale » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:29 pm
And to add... a cyclist is allowed to overtake the other cyclists riding 2 abreast... thereby creating 3 abreast for a short moment.il padrone wrote:Ah, now don't go skating over that onePaddles wrote: http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Trave ... ochure.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The most important ones here I think are:
- no more than 2 abreast
- you must keep left and can only "take a lane" (normally left, but right if making a right turn) if there is 2 or more lanes of traffic travelling in the same direction where you are riding
It's keep as far left as practicable. That means if, in the judgement of the cyclists, there is some impracticability (eg. potential safety hazard) they need not stay hard left. Most cyclists on here should be aware of this rider to the rule.
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Postby Howzat » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:34 pm
That 20 metres of green paint is not a bicycle lane, it's a bicycle oblong.Summernight wrote:That bicycle lane from that StreetView picture is pathetic and suicidal, especially with those obscuring bushes. In a group ride I'd think all the cyclists would be in the car lane.
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Postby KonaCommuter » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:44 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that a GoPro mounted in the middle of his dash?
Whilst I'm at it - Is this another example where a Camera would have saved the day?
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Postby Howzat » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:48 pm
But if the cyclists had a rear mounted Go-Pro, I'm thinking this is the view they would have captured.
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Postby Summernight » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:49 pm
It does look like a GoPro - in the waterproof housing. Indicating that either he already had one and decided to not use it this day or had it running and decided not to use the footage... Hmmm.KonaCommuter wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that a GoPro mounted in the middle of his dash?
Whilst I'm at it - Is this another example where a Camera would have saved the day?
Also entirely possible that he may only use it for when he is spotlighting and hunting (isn't that what those things up the top are? Spotlights?)... Hunting cyclists that is...
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Postby BrisVegas » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:51 pm
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Postby il padrone » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:55 pm
Sure looks like a Go Pro to me. I've never seen any GPS with that profile.Howzat wrote:Nice spotting - but looks a little big, probably a GPS.
I'd guess it's the one he's just fitted to film his rule-breaking and cyclist-stalking
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Postby Xplora » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:03 pm
Or even a long moment... as long as you are going faster than the other 2, you are overtaking.clydesmcdale wrote: And to add... a cyclist is allowed to overtake the other cyclists riding 2 abreast... thereby creating 3 abreast for a short moment.
Practicable is a funny term really. It would basically put all riders in the middle of the lane always if they knew what a dooring could do to them....
Bring the fury, this is going to get fun.
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Postby goneriding » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:04 pm
The article (headline in the Courier Mail) says that he has now installed cameras front and rear.Howzat wrote:Nice spotting - but looks a little big, probably a GPS.
But if the cyclists had a rear mounted Go-Pro, I'm thinking this is the view they would have captured.
I say the next time someone comes across him get close enough and pull faces at the camera and ring your bell repeatedly!
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Postby TimW » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:08 pm
beat me to itMr Hull said he has now installed in-car cameras
Read more: http://www.couriermail.com.au/travel/ne ... z2Kqp5chHC" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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