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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby il padrone » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:34 pm

Ken Ho wrote: Multispoke wheels like that are typical of motorbike designs, as is the high rear seat/pannier design. This would be largely shielded from wind by thr riders body.

Just put some weight in that high position and see what happens. Hello speed wobble!! <scrape, thud>

Ken Ho wrote:A duel suspension like that will give a nicer and safer ride than a rigid frame too, soaking umps and improving braking and handling.

Completely unnecessary for regular road riding. Just soaks up your efforts if you get out of the saddle at all. Better braking.... dubious.
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby find_bruce » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:37 pm

Mate I will strongly defend your right to have an opinion, even when I think it is wrong. If that hideous thing floats your boat then by all means splash out your hard earned & have fun.

Just don't be surprised to see a bunch of us who point & snicker :D
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby human909 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:40 pm

Ken Ho wrote:it takes a lot of style and design cues rom motorbikes. it is reminiscent of a Sachs Badass with the thick tube frame which probably incorporates batteries. On the Sachs, its the fuel tank. Likewise the close fit mudguard. it protect the rider, while aloowing decent suspension travel. the altrnaitve desin of a mudguard fixed above teh suspension travel requires a huge mudguard to afford the same mud catchng ability. Trail bikes do taht, cos they are low speed and dont want a heap of mud jamming under a close fit guard, but a dirt bike front guard would look silly on taht bike and crate huge drag. Multispoke wheels like that are typical of motorbike designs, as is the high rear seat/pannier design. This would be largely shielded from wind by thr riders body. Just because multi-spoke whhels are typically associated with high spped aero rigs in the cycling world does not mean they are not seen as an everyday option in other design realms. A duel suspension like that will give a nicer and safer ride than a rigid frame too, soaking umps and improving braking and handling. As for the knobbies, look at scooters. They typically have fat tyres with chunky tread.
No surprise it blew past someone on a hill. Electric motors have dead flat torque curves which will see them do the same sped on hiills as thevflats, to a point.
Overall, i see a nice execution of an evolving concept, the E-bike, not an ugly bicycle at all.


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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby Crowz » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:47 pm

Ken Ho wrote:*rambling about motorbikes*
Overall, i see a nice execution of an evolving concept, the E-bike, not an ugly bicycle at all.


Yep so I've just highlighted what we're saying to you. Telling us we're wrong because of our opinion is just ludicrous. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... Stop telling me what I perceive as ugly is not, you're wrong. :lol:
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby Ken Ho » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:50 pm

il padrone wrote:
Ken Ho wrote: Multispoke wheels like that are typical of motorbike designs, as is the high rear seat/pannier design. This would be largely shielded from wind by thr riders body.

Just put some weight in that high position and see what happens. Hello speed wobble!! <scrape, thud>

Ken Ho wrote:A duel suspension like that will give a nicer and safer ride than a rigid frame too, soaking umps and improving braking and handling.

Completely unnecessary for regular road riding. Just soaks up your efforts if you get out of the saddle at all. Better braking.... dubious.


mate, ive had plenty of pillions on a high rear seat on motos, and yes, while at some point you might make the front go a bit light, you would have o load those panniers with lead to have any effect.
People thinking of it as an ugly bicycle are missing the point that its not a bicycle. It,s an e-bike. different beast. dfferent design brief.
As for thinking that good suspension does not improve braking, maybe you should recall what happens to the braking distances on your car when the shockies are rooted. After a lifetime of riding decent motorbikes, decents on my rigid roadie turn my hair white.
As for the relevance of suspension on the raod, mate, you need to leave the city and you nice hot-mix and get out onto some coarse chip-seal for 40 or 50 km and ou might change your mind. My hands were numb for 2 days after doing the Tour de Tableland last week.
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby Ken Ho » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:04 pm

Glad you lot were not around when they were designing the horse collar, or the Middle Ages would have nothing at all to show for itself.
As it is, looks like you all oversaw the other design projects of the time.
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby il padrone » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:06 pm

Ken Ho wrote:mate, ive had plenty of pillions on a high rear seat on motos, and yes, while at some point you might make the front go a bit light, you would have o load those panniers with lead to have any effect.

Bicycles are not the same as motorcycles, much lighter. Even an extra 10kg mass high and rearwards will make a far bigger impact on your steering control, when combined with (and accentuating) your pedalling input. Every sway is magnified. Motorbikes don't have this rider input of pedal sway. I've seen too many fellow riders take a dive with a heavy rear load and no front panniers - not pretty. Simply put, it matters.

Ken Ho wrote:As for thinking that good suspension does not improve braking, maybe you should recall what happens to the braking distances on your car when the shockies are rooted. After a lifetime of riding decent motorbikes, decents on my rigid roadie turn my hair white.

Practice mate, practice. Maybe get better tyres.

Suspension will make a significant difference on a rough gravel road, much more so on a MTB singletrack. On sealed roads the front suspension hardly moves while I stay seated, braking or powering.


BTW, go easy on the insults bud. You don't know me from jack, and have no idea of my cycling background. :|
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby Ken Ho » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:15 pm

Nothing wrong with my tyres or my mad skillz. Its the surfaces i ride on. NOT SMOOTH.
Hit a big bump at enough speed and the bars get yanked out of my hands. Plus, a whoopsie on lots of my hill rides will result in making love to a gum tree if I'm lucky, going over a cliff or smashing into a cutting if I'm not.
30km at 40kph from Atherton to Mareeba the orher day had me shattered. Road would be smmoth as glass in a car, on a carbon roadie, it was hell.
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby Ken Ho » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:21 pm

Your cycling background is not in question, and tthe horse collar quip was not really directed at you. it was provoked by someone suggesting they were going to "put me in my place"
Reduced unsprung weight makes suspension work better, hence "those wheels", and good supension keeps rubber on the road, which makes brakes and handling better. Ask anyone who works with vehicles running a suspension.
I'm thinking that the frame is probably full of batteries, which might just counter-balance the weight in the rear too.
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby Dan » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:28 pm

I'm going to find another ugly bike.
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby Dan » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:30 pm

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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby bychosis » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:34 pm

I have a trek y-frame mtb from 1997. I reckon it looks great (for its vintage), but the e-bike above is just a hideous update. My initial impression of it was 'what the he'll did they do to that y frame?'
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby ohexploitable » Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:09 am

redrover3 wrote:WTS Bris Repco Austral Roadbike Approx 56cm
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Repco Austral alum framed roadbike approx 56cm seat tube. Compact frame. 8sp Shimano Sora STI levers. High profile sun rims with DT Swiss rear hub. New Continental Ultra Race tyres, Look pedals, computer. VGC. Good for beginner to roadbiking. Selling for friend. Too big for me.
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby Marto » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:15 am

find_bruce wrote:Or if you prefer more conventional ugly, how about the Ellsworth Commute
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Apparently it is exclusive, so don't delay, buy now


It has nice nipples
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby jasonc » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:58 am

Marto wrote:
find_bruce wrote:Or if you prefer more conventional ugly, how about the Ellsworth Commute
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Apparently it is exclusive, so don't delay, buy now


It has nice nipples


you want to grease them?
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby Nobody » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:48 am

Ken Ho wrote:No surprise it blew past someone on a hill. Electric motors have dead flat torque curves which will see them do the same speed on hills as the flats, to a point.
The reason an electric bike would blow past someone on a hill is it probably has 200W while the rider is producing another 200W+. Not many humans can produce 400W+ for very long. Humans have a flat torque curve too. The flatness of the electric motor's torque curve would have little difference in hill climbing than a person producing 400W+.
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby il padrone » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:57 am

ohexploitable wrote:
redrover3 wrote:WTS Bris Repco Austral Roadbike Approx 56cm
Price $150.....

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Strange OT post??? Not a beauty, but equally not an ugly bike, just a cheap one like many tens of thousands of others people are riding about on.
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby Dan » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:59 am

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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby il padrone » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:01 am

Nobody wrote:Not many humans can produce 400W+ for very long.

Not many E-bikes can produce 400W for very long either. After 3-4 hours of motor use, then the bike powered only by a 200W rider is a slug to ride. :mrgreen:
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby Uncle Just » Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:56 pm

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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby il padrone » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:01 pm

Mad Max's bike ??
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby Mulger bill » Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:29 pm

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...whatever the road rules, self-preservation is the absolute priority for a cyclist when mixing it with motorised traffic.
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby warthog1 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:00 am

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Some of that extreme ugliness :shock: has rubbed off onto the zipp wheels too. They are soiled by the matching green lettering.
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby AndrewBurns » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:17 am

It's a very aerodynamically clean frame though, it is probably pretty fast...
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Re: Ugly Bikes

Postby warthog1 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:27 am

True, doesn't conform to uci rules though and a recumbent will be faster, probably less ugly too :)
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