Do they squeal at all? My factory cork ones squeal pretty bad no matter how I have them setup. The Swissstop yellows are pretty much silent, but I don't trust them on clinchers for big descents in regards to potential overheating. Have also tried zipp corks which are pretty good. But interested in how these go.Crawf wrote:I've been rolling around on various China carbon wheels for a while now and have always used the cork pads, as I had purchased a bulk qty.
I could never bring myself to spend $30+ on swisstop pads. But on the weekend I thrown on some of these and wow, the difference was like chalk and cheese.
Do yourself a favor and ditch the cork pads for these if you have them.
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby warthog1 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:35 am
+1twizzle wrote: SwissStop yellow's are not compatible with all rims.
They are a very hard compound and can heat the rim up dangerously apparently.
I've got Reynolds blue having tried SS yellows. The blues still pull up fine but are softer and hopefully gentler on the braking surface.
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby adamr » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:14 pm
The old bike weighed near enough to 9.5 or 9.6kg with pedals (Shimano 105), bottle cages (2x Elite Custom Race) and minor accessories (k-edge out-front garmin mount, small tail light). This includes a light seat (150g).
The new one currently weighs 6.5 incomplete. The only things left to add are the BB, crankset and chain, bar tape, and the k-edge and light. Obviously, the frame is very light (probably over 1kg lighter than the MS, and the fork is relatively lighter too). I estimate BB, crankset, and chain will add a little over 1kg, pedals, tape and extras will be another 500g or so, for a total of about 8kg.
While that is respectable, I have trouble seeing how to reduce that by 1.2kg to get to UCI minimum weight (as a benchmark). Please note, I am not planning to spend a fortune on this -- it is mostly academic.
My current wheels are heavy R500s. Changing to Pro-lite Braccianos or RS-80 C24s would reduce the weight by about 500g, I think. Is there 700g difference in weight between 105 and Dura-ace or Red groupsets?
Other parts like bar and stem could be reduced in weight by going to carbon, but from what I have seen, the difference won't be too much. I already have a lightweight alu stem (deda Zero1) and relatively light compact handlebars (FSA wing compact).
Thoughts?
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby MichaelB » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:34 pm
Wheels, groupset & pedals are your big targets. Wheels are the best bang for buck, but with a bit of research and effort, you can make good savings without spending too much.adamr wrote: ......My current wheels are heavy R500s. Changing to Pro-lite Braccianos or RS-80 C24s would reduce the weight by about 500g, I think. Is there 700g difference in weight between 105 and Dura-ace or Red groupsets?
Other parts like bar and stem could be reduced in weight by going to carbon, but from what I have seen, the difference won't be too much. I already have a lightweight alu stem (deda Zero1) and relatively light compact handlebars (FSA wing compact).
Thoughts?
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby adamr » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:01 pm
Next purchase will be wheels -- either Pro-lite Braccianos or Shimano RS80 c24s. Which would be better? Both are around $400 for the set, I think.
I also have my eye on a 3T stem and ergonova bars. While they are lighter (by about 150g in total, I estimate), I am more interested in aesthetics and function, than weight on those.
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby usernameforme » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:46 pm
If you're thinking about buying wheels, just make sure you know that you'll stick to that groupset in the future. No use getting the RS80 if you see yourself getting Campag or Shimano 11 speed.
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby biker jk » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:26 pm
Isn't the FM066-SL a roughly 900 gram frame? Your build sounds heavy. Sorry but I haven't read back to see which groupset you used. I have seen builds weighing 6.6-7.2 kg.adamr wrote:I have finished the build on my FM066-SL. It weighs 7.97kg including pedals and cages, but excluding bar tape (which I will put on once I have properly tested everything). Heavier than the superbikes I test rode recently, but it still feels much lighter to ride than my Oppy A5.
Next purchase will be wheels -- either Pro-lite Braccianos or Shimano RS80 c24s. Which would be better? Both are around $400 for the set, I think.
I also have my eye on a 3T stem and ergonova bars. While they are lighter (by about 150g in total, I estimate), I am more interested in aesthetics and function, than weight on those.
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby adamr » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:46 pm
It is possible that my hanging scale is inaccurate, but it is not likely to be out by more than a couple of hundred grams. You are correct - 54cm frame was 879g including derailleur hanger. Fork was 370g.biker jk wrote:Isn't the FM066-SL a roughly 900 gram frame? Your build sounds heavy. Sorry but I haven't read back to see which groupset you used. I have seen builds weighing 6.6-7.2 kg.adamr wrote:I have finished the build on my FM066-SL. It weighs 7.97kg including pedals and cages, but excluding bar tape (which I will put on once I have properly tested everything). Heavier than the superbikes I test rode recently, but it still feels much lighter to ride than my Oppy A5.
Next purchase will be wheels -- either Pro-lite Braccianos or Shimano RS80 c24s. Which would be better? Both are around $400 for the set, I think.
I also have my eye on a 3T stem and ergonova bars. While they are lighter (by about 150g in total, I estimate), I am more interested in aesthetics and function, than weight on those.
Other parts as follows:
Complete Shimano 105 5700 groupset, except Ultegra 6700 braze-on front derailleur and Ultegra 11-28 cassette, k-edge chain catcher
Shimano 105 SPD-SL pedals
Shimano R500 wheels, Conti GP4000s tyres, Conti Race28 tubes
Prologo C.one50 carbon saddle
FSA Wing Pro Compact bars 42cm
Deda Zero1 alloy stem 100mm
Elite Custom Race cages
Jagwire cables
Orbea bar tape
Garmin Edge 500, k-edge mount
Lezyne Femto lights, front and rear
Does anything stand out there as particularly heavy?
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby biker jk » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:10 pm
Nice looking frame. Shimano 105 isn't exactly light. Many of the other FM-066SL builds have used Sram which is lighter. Your wheels weigh around 1900 grams so this is the easiest way to get the weight down. Is the total weight you mention including lights? If so, you need to exclude those to compare to other builds (which usually include pedals, cages but not lights or other mounts).adamr wrote:
It is possible that my hanging scale is inaccurate, but it is not likely to be out by more than a couple of hundred grams. You are correct - 54cm frame was 879g including derailleur hanger. Fork was 370g.
Other parts as follows:
Complete Shimano 105 5700 groupset, except Ultegra 6700 braze-on front derailleur and Ultegra 11-28 cassette, k-edge chain catcher
Shimano 105 SPD-SL pedals
Shimano R500 wheels, Conti GP4000s tyres, Conti Race28 tubes
Prologo C.one50 carbon saddle
FSA Wing Pro Compact bars 42cm
Deda Zero1 allow stem 100mm
Elite Custom Race cages
Jagwire cables
Orbea bar tape
Garmin Edge 500, k-edge mount
Lezyne Femto lights, front and rear
Does anything stand out there as particularly heavy?
This is a good web site for FM-066SL builds.
http://www.velobuild.com/6-build-photos/4556-fm066sl
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby adamr » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:07 pm
Thanks. I have read the main threads on velobuild.com. It was very helpful.biker jk wrote:Nice looking frame. Shimano 105 isn't exactly light. Many of the other FM-066SL builds have used Sram which is lighter. Your wheels weigh around 1900 grams so this is the easiest way to get the weight down. Is the total weight you mention including lights? If so, you need to exclude those to compare to other builds (which usually include pedals, cages but not lights or other mounts).adamr wrote:
It is possible that my hanging scale is inaccurate, but it is not likely to be out by more than a couple of hundred grams. You are correct - 54cm frame was 879g including derailleur hanger. Fork was 370g.
Other parts as follows:
Complete Shimano 105 5700 groupset, except Ultegra 6700 braze-on front derailleur and Ultegra 11-28 cassette, k-edge chain catcher
Shimano 105 SPD-SL pedals
Shimano R500 wheels, Conti GP4000s tyres, Conti Race28 tubes
Prologo C.one50 carbon saddle
FSA Wing Pro Compact bars 42cm
Deda Zero1 alloy stem 100mm
Elite Custom Race cages
Jagwire cables
Orbea bar tape
Garmin Edge 500, k-edge mount
Lezyne Femto lights, front and rear
Does anything stand out there as particularly heavy?
This is a good web site for FM-066SL builds.
http://www.velobuild.com/6-build-photos/4556-fm066sl
The ~7.9kg weight was without bar tape (a bit over 8kg with tape), but not lights or Garmin or cadence/speed sensor. It did include pedals and bottle cages.
Lighter wheels will get me to 7.5kg. Lighter bars and stem are an expensive way to drop another 150g. past that, it is all down to the drivetrain. It is too expensive to change out the complete groupset, and I don't like the SRAM double-tap shifting, but is it worthwhile to change the 105 crankset for SRAM Red or Force? Will that work?
The R5 I rode recently had a Rotor crankset with 52-36 rings. I really liked that combination, and I would be keen to replicate it. (I have 53-39 and 50-34 seems too low.) However, I don't think the Rotor cranks are much lighter.
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby KL. » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:25 am
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby adamr » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:45 pm
I just went with matte clear coat over unidirectional carbon, but paint is available in most colours or your own design.KL. wrote:Do they have frame colours other than all black ...
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby adamr » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:16 pm
I have set up a spreadsheet of weights of all components. Some I have weighed myself. Others I have gone on published actual weights on the net. A few (small items) are reasonable estimates based on very close equivalent products (eg, the steerer expanding bung - I don't want to disassemble the fork just to weigh that. I will weigh it when I next have a reason to pull it out). That brings me to about 7940g. The difference will be in brake pads, tape on the bars holding cables before the bar tape, grease and lube and stuff like that, I guess, and possibly inaccuracy in my hanging scale.adamr wrote:biker jk wrote:Isn't the FM066-SL a roughly 900 gram frame? Your build sounds heavy. Sorry but I haven't read back to see which groupset you used. I have seen builds weighing 6.6-7.2 kg.adamr wrote:I have finished the build on my FM066-SL. It weighs 7.97kg including pedals and cages, but excluding bar tape (which I will put on once I have properly tested everything). Heavier than the superbikes I test rode recently, but it still feels much lighter to ride than my Oppy A5.
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I have mapped out a potential round of upgrades to reduce weight and compare $ spent/grams saved. That leads to savings of 1070g for a bargain cost of $2,112 at ordinary discount retail prices. Obviously, that would lead to a final bike weight of around 7kg.
However, I see plenty of weight weenies and other threads (including the superlight bike thread here) which discuss bikes in the low 6kg range, when starting with a frame substantially heavier than mine. I am struggling to see how one can get to that even with extreme cost (eg $$$ to save 200g extra on wheels). There just does not seem to be that much difference in weight between Dura-Ace or Red to explain the rest.
I don't doubt that it can be done at the cost of functionality (eg, handlebars so light they will crumple at the first road bump), but how can you do it with normal commercially available parts.
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby kunalraiker » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:30 pm
I'am looking to lower some weith of my Avanti GIRO 2 but changing the current Shimano R500 wheels, open to buying used but need the set to come under $200.00
Any options there to bring the weight down by at least 500 grams ?
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby MichaelB » Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:00 am
adamr wrote: .....However, I see plenty of weight weenies and other threads (including the superlight bike thread here) which discuss bikes in the low 6kg range, when starting with a frame substantially heavier than mine. I am struggling to see how one can get to that even with extreme cost (eg $$$ to save 200g extra on wheels). There just does not seem to be that much difference in weight between Dura-Ace or Red to explain the rest.
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You got it right there - $/g.
Some people are willing to spend extreme dollars, as the final weight is a bragging right.
Be sensible, and don't worry about it too much.
Mind you, as I found out recently, the research can be fun !!!
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby KL. » Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:49 pm
Here are the specs ...
FSC50-CJ - 2013 NEW Version - Cyclecross carbon wheels 50mm clincher, 23mm width, Tubeless.
Rim: 700c 50mm deep, 23mm wide, clincher carbon rim, basalt braking surface.
Appearance: 3K Glossy
Spoke holes: 20/24H External Nipples
Weight: 1330g+/-30g
ERD: 544mm
Hub: ED hubs/ED ceramic hub, 260g/set only
Spoke: Sapim CX-ray, Black
Nipple: Sapim SILS, Red
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby Crawf » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:25 pm
I thought the newer 50mm 23mm wide were heavier, in the 1500g region?KL. wrote:Hi All, I would love some opinions on these wheels ... http://www.farsports.cn/ViewProduct.aspx?id=756 ... thanks
Here are the specs ...
FSC50-CJ - 2013 NEW Version - Cyclecross carbon wheels 50mm clincher, 23mm width, Tubeless.
Rim: 700c 50mm deep, 23mm wide, clincher carbon rim, basalt braking surface.
Appearance: 3K Glossy
Spoke holes: 20/24H External Nipples
Weight: 1330g+/-30g
ERD: 544mm
Hub: ED hubs/ED ceramic hub, 260g/set only
Spoke: Sapim CX-ray, Black
Nipple: Sapim SILS, Red
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby Marty Moose » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:55 pm
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby Nelson11 » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:29 pm
I've been dealing with Kyle at Farsports directly at sales2@farsports.cn. He's quite good at answering questions and the prices seem very good when dealing directly.
Hope that helps.
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
Postby YouAgainstMe » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:19 pm
I don't ride big climbs often but do enjoy it and was leaning towards the c24's for the lightweight factor. However I do most of my riding on flat to small hills around Melbourne and after hearing good reviews on the chinese carbons got a price of $790 delivered. Can anyone care to share any advice?
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Re: Chinese carbon frame and wheels thread
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