Probably right, especially where I ride. But I'll wait until I've collected more long-term injuries before heading over to 'bent-land.il padrone wrote:This sort of $10K bike may make more of a difference in most situations except long mountain climbs .
Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby Nobody » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:03 pm
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby TMjpn » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:04 pm
I've mixed it with our more silver haired, Eastern Suburban folk, and some I know are like this.. Hell there a whole group ride based around being the slower guys doing an easy, non hilly ride, but the quality of machines isn't anything to sneeze at Sure they aren't the quickest around but they are passionate about it. Some volunteer for the Heffron crits and are active memebrs of their respective area CC's.
Generally, the guys who are rude about the whole "Uber bike" bike things are guys who buy the bike for status points and the pose value in Paddington/King Cross after the ride.
Anyway, take your dyed in the wool I-ties. Love a bit of the whole colnago/pinarello/ducati/ferrari thing cos its the pride of the national identity, and that accounts for sales!
Here in aus, aside from the obligatory southern cross sticker or tattoo and holdens..what brands do we have that we'd truely love to flaunt.
Can't say theres a poster of an MStar or Apollo hanging on my garage wall at home.
On that note I propose a solution - Dick Smith's Aussie Bikes.
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby il padrone » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:08 pm
Hills Hoists ???TMjpn wrote:Here in aus, aside from the obligatory southern cross sticker or tattoo and holdens..what brands do we have that we'd truely love to flaunt.
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby TMjpn » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:12 pm
"Mate that's a nice hills hoist you got there but you're really should ditch that mechanical gearing and get yourself some electronic... Also, no one uses Steel wires any more vinyl rope is soo much lighter, helps you raise it heaps faster"il padrone wrote: Hills Hoists ???
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby MisuVir » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:19 pm
The pros all use clothes dryers. Once you've achieved that level of performance, you look back at all the slobs using their slow-drying hoists and realise that you're completely different from them. They think "hey, we're all just drying clothes, right?", but you know that it just isn't true.TMjpn wrote:"Mate that's a nice hills hoist you got there but you're really should ditch that mechanical gearing and get yourself some electronic... Also, no one uses Steel wires any more vinyl rope is soo much lighter, helps you raise it heaps faster"
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby Dan » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:25 pm
Daccordi Rider wrote:My shirt is made out of a cool new fabric, but you wouldn"t have ever heard of it so I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it.Dan wrote:Hey hey hey! The title says Hipsters, not me! I have a flanno, sorry, PLAID, shirt too, you know
Its called 'obscuro' - 50% fair trade cacao husk fibre, 25% beard hair, 25% fluoro cotton.
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Postby TMjpn » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:29 pm
Hahahaha fair point!MisuVir wrote:The pros all use clothes dryers. Once you've achieved that level of performance, you look back at all the slobs using their slow-drying hoists and realise that you're completely different from them. They think "hey, we're all just drying clothes, right?", but you know that it just isn't true.TMjpn wrote:"Mate that's a nice hills hoist you got there but you're really should ditch that mechanical gearing and get yourself some electronic... Also, no one uses Steel wires any more vinyl rope is soo much lighter, helps you raise it heaps faster"
"Bahahaha - You use a hoover??... I spose' it isn't an LG. Cheap Korean crap those. Not like a genuine Italian DeLonghi, I tell you those italians put pure craftsmanship passed down over decades in thier dryers"
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Postby Daccordi Rider » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:34 pm
Ahh, but you see my shirt also contains 5% unobtanium.Dan wrote:Daccordi Rider wrote:My shirt is made out of a cool new fabric, but you wouldn"t have ever heard of it so I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it.Dan wrote:Hey hey hey! The title says Hipsters, not me! I have a flanno, sorry, PLAID, shirt too, you know
Its called 'obscuro' - 50% fair trade cacao husk fibre, 25% beard hair, 25% fluoro cotton.
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby Dan » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:40 pm
That's because hipsters are 5% more awesome than regular folk.Daccordi Rider wrote:Ahh, but you see my shirt also contains 5% unobtanium.
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby Daccordi Rider » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:49 pm
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby il padrone » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:51 pm
No-one ever wants to suck my wheel
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Postby Dan » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:57 pm
Dude!Daccordi Rider wrote:Fair call dude.
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby Daccordi Rider » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:57 pm
So that's what happened to Frank Schleck.....
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby RonK » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:58 pm
Hehe - yes, I think that sums it up pretty well Dan.Dan wrote:Wheezing/price of your bike matrix coming up. Stay tuned.
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby Dan » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:01 pm
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby Daccordi Rider » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:07 pm
Dude!Dan wrote:Dude!Daccordi Rider wrote:Fair call dude.
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby boss » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:14 pm
Best post in this thread.Daccordi Rider wrote: Dude!
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby Dan » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:41 pm
You didn't even have to mention Nazis - bravo, sir!
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby il padrone » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:50 pm
She's not there - he's giving a 'high-five' to a wall poster
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby KenGS » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:27 pm
You have an e-dryer and you call yourself a pro?MisuVir wrote:The pros all use clothes dryers. Once you've achieved that level of performance, you look back at all the slobs using their slow-drying hoists and realise that you're completely different from them. They think "hey, we're all just drying clothes, right?", but you know that it just isn't true.TMjpn wrote:"Mate that's a nice hills hoist you got there but you're really should ditch that mechanical gearing and get yourself some electronic... Also, no one uses Steel wires any more vinyl rope is soo much lighter, helps you raise it heaps faster"
Helmets! Bells! Rego!
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby KenGS » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:30 pm
Helmets! Bells! Rego!
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby Ross » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:31 am
boss wrote:
My comment was in regards to the riders who didn't say hello nor return my hellos. I couldn't care less what bikes other people ride, nor how fast they go, nor how often they ride. I'll say hi all the same.
If you're looking to get a rise out of someone where they justify their actions to the nth degree for the benefit of the internet, go bark up someone else's tree.
boss wrote:You guys are a bunch of numpties that want to get upset about something.
Il Padrone is smack bang on the money here. I'm not calling you an numpty IP - you're alright!
Not looking to get a "rise" out of you or anyone else and not upset about anything, I thought I was having a discussion about the topic of snobbery among different groups of bike riders but all I seem to be getting in return from you is smart comments and name calling. Again you are doing what you are accusing other people of. Perhaps if we are all (except il padrone of course) "numpties" here then maybe this forum isn't for you.
Regarding the waving or nodding or saying hello to other riders that are passed I think it's a "thing" that people generally nod/wave etc at other similar type people. Generally a guy (or girl) on a large 1200cc road motorbike wouldn't nod or wave at a moped or perhaps a trail bike but he might at another large road bike. years ago (I don't think it happens much any more) if you owned say a Peugeot and you saw another one (especially if it was the same colour and configuration) you might wave or flash your headlights at it as a form of greeting (nowdays flashing headlights is usually a sign there is a cop or speed camera up ahead). I see bus drivers wave and nod to each other as I see truckies do it too. A driver of a B-double truck is probably not going to nod or wave to a 3 ton truck or someone driving a Holden Commodore, the same as the 3 ton truck and the Commodore drivers aren't going to wave to a B-double. I don't see it as being snobby, it's just a bond of sorts of people with similar transport.
Though saying that there is a local hill which I like to ride and do repeats on and it seems to be popular of late with walkers as well. There is this one guy I see there regualrly so as I'm grunting up the hill I give a nod and receive one back. I guess we have a bond of sorts because we are both out at stupid o'clock in the morning walking and riding to keep fit.
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby il padrone » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:12 am
The problem (snobbery and failure to relate to others) is very much a city and town thing. As the density of people and frequency of interactions increases people get contact-fatigue and try to identify a more restricted 'in-group' for themselves. Out in the country, and in particular the real country - out north of the Flinders Ranges, the outback - B-double drivers would happily wave to a guy on a bike, truckies in 3 ton trucks wave at drivers of cars and motor-homes, cyclists wave at 4WD drivers. Even in the towns people walking wave at a strange cyclist on the streetsRoss wrote:Regarding the waving or nodding or saying hello to other riders that are passed I think it's a "thing" that people generally nod/wave etc at other similar type people....
....A driver of a B-double truck is probably not going to nod or wave to a 3 ton truck or someone driving a Holden Commodore, the same as the 3 ton truck and the Commodore drivers aren't going to wave to a B-double. I don't see it as being snobby, it's just a bond of sorts of people with similar transport.
The culture is very different, but shaped by the infrequent interactions.
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby cyclotaur » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:00 am
Interesting theory, and I agree to an extent, but I think each cyclist's experience is very subjective. And I'd say that snobbery and contact fatigue are very different things, with the second often being mistaken for the first by more extroverted and social personalities (or the 'look-at-me' types) who may be liable to take any perceived snub personally.il padrone wrote: The problem (snobbery and failure to relate to others) is very much a city and town thing. As the density of people and frequency of interactions increases people get contact-fatigue and try to identify a more restricted 'in-group' for themselves. ....etc..
The culture is very different *(out in the country), but shaped by the infrequent interactions.
And though many do, not everyone needs an 'in-group' identity, even if their activity, appearance or behaviour might tempt us to pigeonhole them as such. That's just people trying to make sense of the world around them, I think.
One of the reasons some people go bike touring is precisely to occasionally escape the constant buzz, stereotyping and unwanted (for them) social contact of the city.
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Re: Snobbery in cycling, why is it so pretentious ?
Postby __PG__ » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:06 am
Aren't they closer to $20K?il padrone wrote: This sort of $10K bike may make more of a difference in most situations except long mountain climbs .
Nice ride though.
I used to be very disparaging about the 10K club..unfortunately the latest bike budget got completely out of control and I'm about to join them
My justification? It's my first new bike in 19 years, and hopefully it will last at least 10 years so it's not a complete waste of money.
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