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Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby warthog1 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:57 pm

Have a look here.

Very nice, I was surprised :o :P
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby Howzat » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:07 pm

Yes, that is quite awesome.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby Crowz » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:15 pm

Oh my god. That 29er. Speachless.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby silentbutdeadly » Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:38 am

Crowz wrote:Oh my god. That 29er. Speachless.


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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby RonK » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:15 am

That TT bike belongs in the ugly bike thread...
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby warthog1 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:31 pm

Well there you go there's no accounting for taste :P I think it looks fantastic.

While I'll have a crack at welding, I don't know much about steel fabrication.I would love to learn more about the processes involved here. I reckon this bloke is a master craftsman 8)

Seems like the judges were impressed too, given it won best in show.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby RonK » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:58 pm

warthog1 wrote:Well there you go there's no accounting for taste :P I think it looks fantastic.

While I'll have a crack at welding, I don't know much about steel fabrication.I would love to learn more about the processes involved here. I reckon this bloke is a master craftsman 8)

Seems like the judges were impressed too, given it won best in show.

The judge's taste is not in question, given that theirs would presumably have been an objective judgment made against set criteria.

But the subjective judgment, where taste would have had a bearing, i.e. the peoples choice, was the Moots/Imba Trail Maintenance Bike.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby il padrone » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:09 pm

RonK wrote:That TT bike belongs in the ugly bike thread...

I think that the only test for a TT bike is how fast it can be ridden. The 'race of truth' as they say :wink: Looks is entirely secondary - in fact goes fast = looks fast.

The other good example in this regard is Graham Obree's washing machine bike.... which of course the UCI declared was "not a bike" :roll:

BTW, Rob English is a major bike designer for Bike Friday. He has designed a very special Speed Tikit and other speedy Bike Fridays.

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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby warthog1 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:00 pm

il padrone wrote:I think that the only test for a TT bike is how fast it can be ridden. The 'race of truth' as they say :wink: Looks is entirely secondary - in fact goes fast = looks fast.


I agree with that but they still can be butt ugly ie cerveloP5 IMO.
I reckon this one looks good personally.

RonK is a campy bloke though, so that probably explains a bit. Taste and form and function and all that :P
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby ldrcycles » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:09 pm

Overall i like that TT bike, the only dud note for me is having the base bars welded on so low. Just talking from an aesthetic point, doesn't look as good as the rest of the bike to me.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby Ross » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:08 pm

Not a huge fan of the looks of the TT bike but appreciate the work gone into it. I do like the dual Di2 shifters though and the way he has intergrated the rest of Di2 into the bike (are you taking notes, bike manufacturers??!!)
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby TDC » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:30 pm

il padrone wrote:The other good example in this regard is Graham Obree's washing machine bike.... which of course the UCI declared was "not a bike" :roll:


Apparently his knicks would be cleaner at the end of the ride. :lol: (where is the smiley that indicates "amuses himself with lame jokes")
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby sogood » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:34 pm

RonK wrote:That TT bike belongs in the ugly bike thread...

Hate to think how much of a noodle that TT bike is. With that kind of design, steel just doesn't have it.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby warthog1 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:42 pm

sogood wrote:Hate to think how much of a noodle that TT bike is. With that kind of design, steel just doesn't have it.


From the blurb under the first photo of the tt bike;

Rob English's phenomenal TT bike, the latest version of the bike he's used to win multiple Oregon state time trial titles, took NAHBS attendees' collective breath away. :mrgreen:

Nobody will be proud of me, I'm becoming a staunch defender of steel :o
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby Jesmol » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:49 pm

sogood wrote:
RonK wrote:That TT bike belongs in the ugly bike thread...

Hate to think how much of a noodle that TT bike is. With that kind of design, steel just doesn't have it.

Might use some very high strength steels in that, some of the are ridiculously stiff with the right tube shape.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby Nobody » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:13 pm

warthog1 wrote:
sogood wrote:Hate to think how much of a noodle that TT bike is. With that kind of design, steel just doesn't have it.


From the blurb under the first photo of the tt bike;

Rob English's phenomenal TT bike, the latest version of the bike he's used to win multiple Oregon state time trial titles, took NAHBS attendees' collective breath away. :mrgreen:

Nobody will be proud of me, I'm becoming a staunch defender of steel :o
Thanks. Hard to get a better reply than that. :D

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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby Ken Ho » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:07 pm

The TT bike and the 29er are both works of art.
Ducati has been proving steel for decades and while I love my carbon roadie, I can get a boner over steel too
We have his and hers Surly Moonlanders arriving on Wednesday to prove it.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby Nobody » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:27 pm

Ken Ho wrote:We have his and hers Surly Moonlanders arriving on Wednesday to prove it.

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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby sumgy » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:35 pm

RonK wrote:
warthog1 wrote:Well there you go there's no accounting for taste :P I think it looks fantastic.

While I'll have a crack at welding, I don't know much about steel fabrication.I would love to learn more about the processes involved here. I reckon this bloke is a master craftsman 8)

Seems like the judges were impressed too, given it won best in show.

The judge's taste is not in question, given that theirs would presumably have been an objective judgment made against set criteria.

But the subjective judgment, where taste would have had a bearing, i.e. the peoples choice, was the Moots/Imba Trail Maintenance Bike.


Would not have been this persons choice (and I own and love my Moots.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby sumgy » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:48 pm

sogood wrote:
RonK wrote:That TT bike belongs in the ugly bike thread...

Hate to think how much of a noodle that TT bike is.


Why? Because it is not made from Carbon Fibre?
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby Mulger bill » Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:14 am

sumgy wrote:
sogood wrote:
RonK wrote:That TT bike belongs in the ugly bike thread...

Hate to think how much of a noodle that TT bike is.


Why? Because it is not made from Carbon Fibre?


Was wondering too. I thought the engineering was capable of making a frame more than the sum of its parts :?
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby Ken Ho » Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:47 am

Nobody wrote:
Ken Ho wrote:We have his and hers Surly Moonlanders arriving on Wednesday to prove it.



Haha, yes, we have seen that, very cool promo !!
Can't wait !!
On the subject of cool handbuilts, there is also the MOOTS Frosti. Very tasty !!
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby barefoot » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:54 am

Jesmol wrote:
sogood wrote:
RonK wrote:That TT bike belongs in the ugly bike thread...

Hate to think how much of a noodle that TT bike is. With that kind of design, steel just doesn't have it.

Might use some very high strength steels in that, some of the are ridiculously stiff with the right tube shape.


The stiffness of steel is pretty much constant for all steel alloys, Youngs Modulus about 200 GPa.

If you want stiffness, you need fat tubes. But this bike does not have fat tubes.

If you have a strong enough steel, you can have fat tubes with very thin walls, which makes them quite light as well as being stiff.

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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby sumgy » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:58 am

Pick of what I saw in reviews was the English 29er and Boo's bamboo fat bike.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers

Postby warthog1 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:14 am

barefoot wrote:The stiffness of steel is pretty much constant for all steel alloys, Youngs Modulus about 200 GPa.

If you want stiffness, you need fat tubes. But this bike does not have fat tubes.

If you have a strong enough steel, you can have fat tubes with very thin walls, which makes them quite light as well as being stiff.

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That's an informative answer thanks. :)
I had to take issue with Sogoods description of it as a noodle.
To have won Oregon state tt titles, it's clearly not.
It has thin profile tubes presumably to be aero, which it must achieve without being too flexy
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