Steel bikes for carbon lovers
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
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...Too me. Want.Crowz wrote:Oh my god. That 29er. Speachless.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby warthog1 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:31 pm
While I'll have a crack at welding, I don't know much about steel fabrication.I would love to learn more about the processes involved here. I reckon this bloke is a master craftsman
Seems like the judges were impressed too, given it won best in show.
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Postby RonK » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:58 pm
The judge's taste is not in question, given that theirs would presumably have been an objective judgment made against set criteria.warthog1 wrote:Well there you go there's no accounting for taste I think it looks fantastic.
While I'll have a crack at welding, I don't know much about steel fabrication.I would love to learn more about the processes involved here. I reckon this bloke is a master craftsman
Seems like the judges were impressed too, given it won best in show.
But the subjective judgment, where taste would have had a bearing, i.e. the peoples choice, was the Moots/Imba Trail Maintenance Bike.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby il padrone » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:09 pm
I think that the only test for a TT bike is how fast it can be ridden. The 'race of truth' as they say Looks is entirely secondary - in fact goes fast = looks fast.RonK wrote:That TT bike belongs in the ugly bike thread...
The other good example in this regard is Graham Obree's washing machine bike.... which of course the UCI declared was "not a bike"
BTW, Rob English is a major bike designer for Bike Friday. He has designed a very special Speed Tikit and other speedy Bike Fridays.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby warthog1 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:00 pm
I agree with that but they still can be butt ugly ie cerveloP5 IMO.il padrone wrote: I think that the only test for a TT bike is how fast it can be ridden. The 'race of truth' as they say Looks is entirely secondary - in fact goes fast = looks fast.
I reckon this one looks good personally.
RonK is a campy bloke though, so that probably explains a bit. Taste and form and function and all that
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby TDC » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:30 pm
Apparently his knicks would be cleaner at the end of the ride. (where is the smiley that indicates "amuses himself with lame jokes")il padrone wrote: The other good example in this regard is Graham Obree's washing machine bike.... which of course the UCI declared was "not a bike"
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby sogood » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:34 pm
Hate to think how much of a noodle that TT bike is. With that kind of design, steel just doesn't have it.RonK wrote:That TT bike belongs in the ugly bike thread...
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby warthog1 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:42 pm
sogood wrote:Hate to think how much of a noodle that TT bike is. With that kind of design, steel just doesn't have it.
From the blurb under the first photo of the tt bike;
Rob English's phenomenal TT bike, the latest version of the bike he's used to win multiple Oregon state time trial titles, took NAHBS attendees' collective breath away.
Nobody will be proud of me, I'm becoming a staunch defender of steel
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby Jesmol » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:49 pm
Might use some very high strength steels in that, some of the are ridiculously stiff with the right tube shape.sogood wrote:Hate to think how much of a noodle that TT bike is. With that kind of design, steel just doesn't have it.RonK wrote:That TT bike belongs in the ugly bike thread...
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby Nobody » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:13 pm
Thanks. Hard to get a better reply than that.warthog1 wrote:sogood wrote:Hate to think how much of a noodle that TT bike is. With that kind of design, steel just doesn't have it.
From the blurb under the first photo of the tt bike;
Rob English's phenomenal TT bike, the latest version of the bike he's used to win multiple Oregon state time trial titles, took NAHBS attendees' collective breath away.
Nobody will be proud of me, I'm becoming a staunch defender of steel
Doubt campaigns can be very effective. The cigarette companies ran them for decades. Good try Sogood, but you'll have to try harder.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby Ken Ho » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:07 pm
Ducati has been proving steel for decades and while I love my carbon roadie, I can get a boner over steel too
We have his and hers Surly Moonlanders arriving on Wednesday to prove it.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby Nobody » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:27 pm
Ken Ho wrote:We have his and hers Surly Moonlanders arriving on Wednesday to prove it.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby sumgy » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:35 pm
Would not have been this persons choice (and I own and love my Moots.RonK wrote:The judge's taste is not in question, given that theirs would presumably have been an objective judgment made against set criteria.warthog1 wrote:Well there you go there's no accounting for taste I think it looks fantastic.
While I'll have a crack at welding, I don't know much about steel fabrication.I would love to learn more about the processes involved here. I reckon this bloke is a master craftsman
Seems like the judges were impressed too, given it won best in show.
But the subjective judgment, where taste would have had a bearing, i.e. the peoples choice, was the Moots/Imba Trail Maintenance Bike.
I will plus a zillionty Warthogs comment.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby sumgy » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:48 pm
Why? Because it is not made from Carbon Fibre?sogood wrote:Hate to think how much of a noodle that TT bike is.RonK wrote:That TT bike belongs in the ugly bike thread...
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby Mulger bill » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:14 am
Was wondering too. I thought the engineering was capable of making a frame more than the sum of its partssumgy wrote:Why? Because it is not made from Carbon Fibre?sogood wrote:Hate to think how much of a noodle that TT bike is.RonK wrote:That TT bike belongs in the ugly bike thread...
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby Ken Ho » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:47 am
Haha, yes, we have seen that, very cool promo !!Nobody wrote:Ken Ho wrote:We have his and hers Surly Moonlanders arriving on Wednesday to prove it.
Can't wait !!
On the subject of cool handbuilts, there is also the MOOTS Frosti. Very tasty !!
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby barefoot » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:54 am
The stiffness of steel is pretty much constant for all steel alloys, Youngs Modulus about 200 GPa.Jesmol wrote:Might use some very high strength steels in that, some of the are ridiculously stiff with the right tube shape.sogood wrote:Hate to think how much of a noodle that TT bike is. With that kind of design, steel just doesn't have it.RonK wrote:That TT bike belongs in the ugly bike thread...
If you want stiffness, you need fat tubes. But this bike does not have fat tubes.
If you have a strong enough steel, you can have fat tubes with very thin walls, which makes them quite light as well as being stiff.
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Re: Steel bikes for carbon lovers
Postby warthog1 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:14 am
That's an informative answer thanks.barefoot wrote: The stiffness of steel is pretty much constant for all steel alloys, Youngs Modulus about 200 GPa.
If you want stiffness, you need fat tubes. But this bike does not have fat tubes.
If you have a strong enough steel, you can have fat tubes with very thin walls, which makes them quite light as well as being stiff.
tim
I had to take issue with Sogoods description of it as a noodle.
To have won Oregon state tt titles, it's clearly not.
It has thin profile tubes presumably to be aero, which it must achieve without being too flexy
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